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Actually, over 30,000 signatures on a petition for secession were
collected in each of several states.<br>
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“If at first you don't secede, try, try, again.”<br>
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The anti-federalist sentiment and persuasion is not limited to the <br>
South (although it is more pervasive there). Vermont, New Hampshire,<br>
Oregon, Hawaii, and even upper New York State have some secessionist
movements.<br>
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On 12/24/12 0:58, David Johnson wrote:
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<div><strong><font face="Arial">I heard recently that many people
in Texas wanted to secede from the U.S.,</font></strong></div>
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<div><strong><font face="Arial">No problem, I will sign that
petition, but hopefully Austin Texas will want to be a " Free City
State " totally autonomous from the state of Texas.</font></strong></div>
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<div><strong><font face="Arial">David J.</font></strong></div>
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Sunday, December 23, 2012 7:32 AM</div>
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[Peace-discuss] hasta la vista, baby.</div>
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<h3 style="margin: 6pt 0in;">It seems far from settled.<br>
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<h3 style="margin: 6pt 0in;"><font face="Arial">Parting Company</font></h3>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 6pt;" class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial"
size="2">Over 150 years ago, the Northern Democratic and Republican
parties favored allowing the South to secede in peace. Just about every
major Northern newspaper editorialized in favor of the South's right to
secede. New York Tribune (Feb. 5, 1860): "If tyranny and despotism
justified the Revolution of 1776, then we do not see why it would not
justify the secession of Five Millions of Southrons from the Federal
Union in 1861." Detroit Free Press (Feb. 19, 1861<i>): "An attempt to
subjugate the seceded States, even if successful, could produce nothing
but evil – evil unmitigated in character and appalling in content."</i>
The New York Times (March 21, 1861): "There is growing sentiment
throughout the North in favor of letting the Gulf States go."</font></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 6pt;" class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial"
size="2">There's more evidence seen at the time our Constitution was
ratified. The ratification documents of Virginia, New York and Rhode
Island explicitly said that they held the right to resume powers
delegated, should the federal government become abusive of those
powers. The Constitution would have never been ratified if states
thought that they could not maintain their sovereignty.</font></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 6pt;" class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial"
size="2">The War of 1861 settled the issue of secession through brute
force that cost 600,000 American lives. Americans celebrate Abraham
Lincoln's Gettysburg Address, but H.L. Mencken correctly evaluated the
speech, "It is poetry, not logic; beauty, not sense." Lincoln said that
the soldiers sacrificed their lives "to the cause of self-determination
– that government of the people, by the people, for the people should
not perish from the earth." Mencken says: "It is difficult to imagine
anything more untrue. The Union soldiers in the battle actually fought
against self-determination; it was the Confederates who fought for the
right of people to govern themselves."</font></p>
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