<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=iso-8859-1"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Didn't you recently refer to yourself as a "pro-Obama Jew," Bob?<div><br></div><div>Well, I'm opposed to Obama's murderous policies (and only spiritually a Jew*): the appointment of Hagel seems to me just a cynical cover for the appointment of John Brennan to the CIA, and for the promotion of the policies that that filthy spook has been administering for Obama. </div><div><br></div><div>Some intelligent observers think otherwise (e.g. <<a href="http://mondoweiss.net/2013/01/antiwar-president-support.html">http://mondoweiss.net/2013/01/antiwar-president-support.html</a>>) - but that seems wishful thinking. US war policy remains remarkably consistent, barring major domestic opposition. Hagel is meant precisely to prevent the growth of such opposition.</div><div><br></div><div>(The Hagel appointment may however indicate something else that's been true for a long time: the position of the government of Israel is less important to US war planners than either that government's friends or enemies think.) </div><div><br></div><div>--CGE</div><div>________________</div><div>* "Spiritually we are all Semites." --Pope Pius XI, 1938</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Jan 11, 2013, at 12:35 PM, Robert Naiman <<a href="mailto:naiman@justforeignpolicy.org">naiman@justforeignpolicy.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">Well, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree about this. What you say wasn't my intention in the words that I chose. <br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 12:31 PM, Carl G. Estabrook <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:galliher@illinois.edu" target="_blank">galliher@illinois.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word">Sure it does. The petition calls on the president of NPR "not to enable the smear campaign of Elliott Abrams."<div>
<br></div><div>I'm sure that Knell (great name) is supposed to think, "Oh, OK: I won't 'enable' Abrams' campaign - by interviewing as well someone who says something different (which of course I already do)."</div>
<div><br></div><div>What the petition says is, don't pull Obama's beard - don't air criticism of his stalking horse. <div><div class="h5"><br><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div><div>On Jan 11, 2013, at 12:17 PM, Robert Naiman <<a href="mailto:naiman@justforeignpolicy.org" target="_blank">naiman@justforeignpolicy.org</a>> wrote:</div>
<br><blockquote type="cite"><div><br></div>It doesn't call for NPR to not say something. It doesn't call for any specific action. It just says "not enable."<div><br></div><div>I think there two acceptable paths:</div>
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<div>1) not have someone like Elliott Abrams on as a guest</div><div>2) have him on, but have him seriously challenged.</div><div><br></div><div>NPR did neither one.</div><div><br></div><div>The BBC, if they were going to do an interview like that, would have someone who was prepared to really challenge, either a reporter who was prepared to really challenge, or another guest who was prepared to really challenge, *at the same time.* It doesn't undo the damage of a smear to have someone else on at another time who says something else.<br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 12:01 PM, Carl G. Estabrook <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:galliher@illinois.edu" target="_blank">galliher@illinois.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div style="word-wrap:break-word">And it calls for NPR *not* to say something.<div><br></div><div>NPR has become a shameful apologist for government crimes, but the cure for bad speech is more speech, not less. <div>
<div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Jan 11, 2013, at 11:53 AM, Robert Naiman <<a href="mailto:naiman@justforeignpolicy.org" target="_blank">naiman@justforeignpolicy.org</a>> wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite">
The point here is Elliott Abrams, not Chuck Hagel or Barack Obama. There's nothing in the petition that says I support Obama or Hagel. It's all about Elliott Abrams.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 11:43 AM, Carl G. Estabrook <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:galliher@illinois.edu" target="_blank">galliher@illinois.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word">And give Obama cover for his child-murders?<div><br></div><div><br><div><div>
<div>On Jan 11, 2013, at 11:35 AM, Robert Naiman <<a href="mailto:naiman@justforeignpolicy.org" target="_blank">naiman@justforeignpolicy.org</a>> wrote:</div><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
Can you help me get this rolling?<div><br></div><div><a href="http://signon.org/sign/npr-cfr-dont-enable-elliott?source=c.url&r_by=1135580" target="_blank">http://signon.org/sign/npr-cfr-dont-enable-elliott?source=c.url&r_by=1135580</a><br clear="all">
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