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Bob, <br>
When you get yer million trillion brazilian dollar coin, you can cut me<br>
out $250 for that lost bet on Nader and the FED that you owe me for. <span
class="moz-smiley-s5"><span> :-D </span></span><br>
<br>
That would give me similar personal enjoyment to that of winning the
bet.<br>
Actually I think that the $250 might please me more.<br>
<br>
Congress will NEVER impeach the Obot, because it WANTS the<br>
Executive Office to have king-like power. Voting to remove Obama or
Bush<br>
or Wilson for abuse of power is like a bunch of kids wanting to stop
birthday cakes.<br>
They know that when their turn rolls around they will get a cake <br>
just like their baby sister did.<br>
<br>
Far more likely they would impeach Obama if he Failed to usurp
authority.<br>
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<br>
On 01/17/13 10:47, Robert Naiman wrote:
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cite="mid:CALMNhNRSNX2KaL6jK+8YNyAVgGXw7v9q74QAnQTxwAB0FzTZAA@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">Oh, but the Constitution *does* provide for me to receive
a million dollars. Congress can vote to give me a million dollars
anytime it wants, just as it can vote to impeach the President anytime
it wants. The two things are about equally likely to happen, so if I'm
going to advocate for things that have no chance of happening, I might
as well advocate for the one that would give me greater personal
enjoyment.<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 8:28 PM, Carl G.
Estabrook <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:galliher@illinois.edu" target="_blank">galliher@illinois.edu</a>></span>
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<div style="word-wrap: break-word;">The Constitution doesn't
provide for your receiving a million dollars.
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<div>It does provide for the impeachment and removal from office of
chief executives guilty of high crimes and misdemeanors, as Obama
obviously is.
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<div>It's wrong to surrender to those congressional representatives
who refuse to follow the law, instead of opposing them. </div>
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<div>On Jan 16, 2013, at 6:56 PM, Robert Naiman <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:naiman@justforeignpolicy.org"
target="_blank">naiman@justforeignpolicy.org</a>> wrote:</div>
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<blockquote type="cite">Why not demand that Congress give me a
trillion dollars? I mean, as long as we're stipulating that objective
reality is unimportant as a guide to action.
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<div>Not extending the drone war to Mali is a plausible ask. It's
a crime that hasn't been committed yet. Preventing it is a winnable
fight.<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 6:48 PM, Carl G.
Estabrook <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:galliher@illinois.edu" target="_blank">galliher@illinois.edu</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div style="word-wrap: break-word;">Why not demand Congress
impeach Obama for violating the Constitution & international law,
& murder?
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<div>That would do a s much good, and perhaps more. </div>
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<div>On Jan 16, 2013, at 6:28 PM, Robert Naiman <<a
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Date: Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 6:09 PM<br>
Subject: No U.S. Drone Strikes in Mali Without Congressional Approval<br>
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<p><b>Tell Congress to insist the Administration obtain
explicit Congressional authorization before conducting drone strikes in
Mali.<br>
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<p>France has undertaken a major military campaign in Mali. <b>U.S.
officials are talking about the possibility of supporting the French
military campaign with U.S. drone strikes.</b><br>
<br>
Congress hasn't authorized US military intervention in Mali. In
particular, <b>Congress hasn't authorized U.S. drone strikes in Mali.</b><br>
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<b>Urge your Representative and Senators to publicly insist
that the Administration obtain explicit Congressional authorization
before conducting drone strikes in Mali.</b><br>
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The <i>Washington Post</i> reports: [1]</p>
<blockquote><b>[A senior U.S.] official said contingency
plans for the use of armed drones were already in place and are being
reevaluated.</b></blockquote>
<p>Without explicit Congressional authorization, the only
U.S. legal authority the Administration could claim for conducting
drone strikes in Mali is the 2001 Authorization for the Use of Military
Force passed after the September 11 attacks. This is the legal
authority the Administration has invoked for conducting drone strikes
in Pakistan, Yemen, and Somalia. The invocation of the 2001 AUMF to
justify drone strikes in Pakistan, Yemen, and Somalia is already very
controversial. The invocation of the 2001 AUMF to justify drone strikes
in Mali should be even more controversial. <br>
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Indeed, on November 1, the <i>Washington Post</i> editorial board,
which supports the drone strike policy overall, and believes that US
drone strikes in Pakistan and Yemen are legal overall, wrote: [2]</p>
<blockquote>The <i>Post</i>’s reporting suggests that the
administration is … contemplating the use of drones in more countries
where jihadist forces are active, including Libya and Mali. This raises
new legal and political quandaries. <b>The further — in geography,
time and organizational connection — that the drone war advances from
the original al-Qaeda target in Afghanistan, the less validity it has
under the 2001 congressional authorization … most of the world is
unlikely to accept an argument that the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks justify
drone strikes more than a decade later in Northern Africa.</b></blockquote>
<p>The <i>Washington Post</i> now notes that U.S. support
for France's military campaign could "<b>test U.S. legal boundaries</b>";
that direct U.S. military aid to Mali is "<b>forbidden under U.S. law
because the weak rump government there seized power in a coup</b>"; and
that some fighters who may be targeted by France are "<b>longtime foes
of the Malian government and pose no direct threat to U.S. interests</b>"
[3] - thus, they have nothing to do with the September 11 attack and
therefore the 2001 AUMF can't be invoked to justify attacking them. <br>
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If the Administration conducts drone strikes in Mali without new
Congressional authorization, it would be a major setback both for
efforts to bring accountability and transparency to the drone strike
program and to efforts to protect Congressional authority to decide
when the United States goes to war. We have a responsibility to try to
draw a line in the sand in front of expansion of the drone war to Mali.<br>
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<b>Urge your Representative and Senators to speak up.</b><br>
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1. "U.S. weighs military support for France’s campaign against Mali
militants," Anne Gearan, Karen DeYoung and Craig Whitlock, Washington
Post, January 15, 2013 <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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2. "Pulling the U.S. drone war out of the shadows," Editorial,
Washington Post, November 1, 2012, <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/dia/track.jsp?v=2&c=GHnTdIEtmFf2xzui1SY%2FmDJhRzAi1y7H"
target="_blank">http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2012-11-01/opinions/35503416_1_drone-attacks-drone-strikes-qaeda</a><br>
3. "U.S. weighs military support for France’s campaign against Mali
militants," Anne Gearan, Karen DeYoung and Craig Whitlock, Washington
Post, January 15, 2013 <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/dia/track.jsp?v=2&c=aSQHJvMm%2F78pndv9j9ngmtzaJIMQCl9N"
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