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David, thanks for this. I'd worked on this one, and struggled to
bring enough facets together to suggest how the cycle of
interventions (a) sustains itself and (b) fails to live up to the
humanitarian goals used to sell them ("our military saves lives")
while (c) keeping enough supporting text to back up its own
arguments better than a bunch of bumper stickers would, to make it
harder to dismiss what we're saying as just coming from a bunch of
cranks.<br>
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Maybe this is too much to ask of a 2-page flyer? Do you see pieces
it would have been better to leave out of this one, to make more
room for the rest and for eye-leading white space?<br>
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I do like the question-and-answer form, especially if we can answer
questions that people are actually tempted to raise, as with the
recent article about use of drones.<br>
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I don't mean this to sound snarky - I'd really like for our flyers
to be eye-catching enough that casual readers will want to read
through them. <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/3/13 11:37 AM, David Johnson
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<div><strong><font face="Arial">It's good information but it is
too much information for a flyer.</font></strong></div>
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<div><strong><font face="Arial">In my opinion, it would be better
to have less information and larger font, maybe even a photo
or graphic, and then an AWARE web-site address for more
detailed info.</font></strong></div>
<div><strong><font face="Arial">Practice answers to questions or
statements from people would be good as well.</font></strong></div>
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<div style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color:
black"><b>From:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
title="galliher@illinois.edu"
href="mailto:galliher@illinois.edu">Carl G. Estabrook</a> </div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a
moz-do-not-send="true" title="stuartnlevy@gmail.com"
href="mailto:stuartnlevy@gmail.com">Stuart Levy</a> </div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Cc:</b> <a
moz-do-not-send="true" title="peace-discuss@anti-war.net"
href="mailto:peace-discuss@anti-war.net">Peace Discuss</a> </div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, February 03,
2013 10:56 AM</div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> Re:
[Peace-discuss] AWARE - Sat's demo (& flyer,for re-view)
and Sunday's meeting at White Horse</div>
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Nice work.
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<div>The flyer provides practically the only serious information
about the war in town - certainly not the N-G or radio/TV
news.
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<div>As the administration works desperately to distract
attention from its expanding war, we should redouble our
efforts to publicize it. </div>
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<div>And we should work to find fora in which to answer
comments like the ones posed here. A report on the demo
& the comments on AOTA is a place to start.</div>
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<div>--CGE</div>
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<div>On Feb 3, 2013, at 10:32 AM, Stuart Levy <<a
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href="mailto:stuartnlevy@gmail.com">stuartnlevy@gmail.com</a>>
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<div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">First: yes we do
plan to meet at the White Horse bar again.<br>
<br>
Yesterday's demonstration - well I see Karen just
wrote about it too. Thanks to everybody!<br>
<br>
I thought the most interesting comment was from a
woman who said, "Everybody's against war - no one goes
to war because they *want* to." As if war were one of
those winds that blows nobody good. I offered some
examples of people who might see war as a great way to
promote their own interests.<br>
<br>
Maybe hers is a common way of thinking - one we should
keep directly confronting as we talk about war.<br>
<br>
No ground hogs came by, but our new mascot mouse --
hardly the size of the last joint of your thumb -- was
awfully cute. Scrabbling hard for seeds in the
austerity of winter.<br>
<br>
We handed out a bunch of flyers, using fragments from
Glenn Greenwald's and Seumas Milne's recent Guardian
articles on Mali and the cycle of endless war. Sorry
these weren't passed around in advance, but please see
attached.<br>
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<p align="center"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:
'Georgia'; FONT-SIZE: 23pt; FONT-WEIGHT:
700">Mali? Libya? The Phillippines? Somalia?<br>
Yemen? Iraq? Afghanistan? Pakistan?<br>
</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Georgia';
FONT-SIZE: 24pt; FONT-WEIGHT: 700">Haven't
we been here before? </span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-STYLE: italic; FONT-FAMILY:
'Arial'; FONT-SIZE: 15pt">(excerpts below
from Glenn Greenwald writing in The
Guardian, Jan 14th </span><span
style="FONT-STYLE: italic; FONT-FAMILY:
'Arial'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN:
4pt">1</span><span style="FONT-STYLE:
italic; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial'; FONT-SIZE:
15pt">)</span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'ArialMT';
FONT-SIZE: 12pt">As </span><span
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial'; FONT-SIZE:
12pt; FONT-WEIGHT: 700">French war planes
bomb Mali, </span><span style="FONT-FAMILY:
'ArialMT'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">there is one
simple statistic that provides the key
context: </span><span style="FONT-FAMILY:
'Arial'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-WEIGHT: 700">this
west African nation of 15 million people is
the eighth country in which western powers -
over the last four years alone - have bombed
and killed Muslims - after Iraq,
Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, Libya, Somalia
and the Philippines </span><span
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'ArialMT'; FONT-SIZE:
12pt">(that does not count the numerous
lethal tyrannies propped up by the west in
that region). For obvious reasons, the
rhetoric that the west is not at war with
the Islamic world grows increasingly hollow
with each new expansion of this militarism.
But within this new massive bombing
campaign, one finds most of the vital
lessons about western intervention that,
typically, are ignored. </span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial'; FONT-SIZE:
12pt; FONT-WEIGHT: 700">First, </span><span
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'ArialMT'; FONT-SIZE:
12pt">as this NY Times' account makes clear,
</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial';
FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-WEIGHT: 700">much of
the instability in Mali is the direct result
of Nato's intervention in Libya. </span><span
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'ArialMT'; FONT-SIZE:
12pt">[...] As Owen Jones wrote in an
excellent column in the Independent: </span></p>
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<p><span style="FONT-FAMILY:
'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">“This
intervention is itself the consequence of
another. The Libyan war is frequently
touted as a success story for liberal
interventionism. Yet the toppling of
Muammar Gaddafi's dictatorship had
consequences that Western intelligence
services probably never even bothered to
imagine. Tuaregs – who traditionally
hailed from northern Mali – made up a
large portion of his army. When Gaddafi
was ejected from power, they returned to
their homeland: sometimes forcibly so as
black Africans came under attack in
post-Gaddafi Libya, an uncomfortable fact
largely ignored by the Western media. . .
. [T]he Libyan war was seen as a success .
. . and here we are now engaging with its
catastrophic blowback.” </span></p>
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<p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial'; FONT-SIZE:
12pt; FONT-WEIGHT: 700">Over and over,
western intervention ends up - whether by
ineptitude or design - sowing the seeds of
further intervention. </span><span
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'ArialMT'; FONT-SIZE:
12pt">Given the massive instability still
plaguing Libya as well as enduring anger
over the Benghazi attack, how long will it
be before we hear that bombing and invasions
in </span><span style="FONT-FAMILY:
'Arial'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-WEIGHT: 700">that
</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'ArialMT';
FONT-SIZE: 12pt">country are - once again -
necessary to combat the empowered "Islamist"
forces there: forces empowered as a result
of the Nato overthrow of that country's
government? </span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial'; FONT-SIZE:
12pt; FONT-WEIGHT: 700">Second, the
overthrow of the Malian government was
enabled by US-trained-and- armed soldiers
who defected. </span><span
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'ArialMT'; FONT-SIZE:
12pt">From the NYT: “commanders </span><span
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT';
FONT-SIZE: 12pt">of this nation's elite army
units, the fruit of years of careful
American training, defected when they were
needed most — taking troops, guns, trucks
and their newfound skills to the enemy in
the heat of battle, according to senior
Malian military officials.” </span><span
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'ArialMT'; FONT-SIZE:
12pt">Then: </span><span
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'ArialMT'; FONT-SIZE:
13pt">“an </span><span style="FONT-FAMILY:
'TimesNewRomanPS'; FONT-SIZE: 13pt;
FONT-WEIGHT: 700">American-trained officer
overthrew Mali's elected government, </span><span
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT';
FONT-SIZE: 12pt">setting the stage for more
than half of the country to fall into the
hands of Islamic extremists.” [...] </span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial'; FONT-SIZE:
12pt; FONT-WEIGHT: 700">Third, western
bombing of Muslims in yet another country
will obviously provoke even more
anti-western sentiment, the fuel of
terrorism. </span><span style="FONT-FAMILY:
'ArialMT'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Already, as the
Guardian reports, French fighter jets in
Mali have killed "at least 11 civilians
including three children". France's long
history of colonialization in Mali only
exacerbates the inevitable anger. In
December, after the UN Security Council
authorized the intervention in Mali, Amnesty
International's resea</span><span
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'ArialMT'; FONT-SIZE:
12pt">rcher on West Africa, Salvatore
Saguès, warned: "An international armed
intervention is likely to increase the scale
of human rights violations we are already
seeing in this conflict." ... </span></p>
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<p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'ArialMT';
FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Indeed, at the same time
that the French are now killing civilians in
Mali, a joint French-US raid in Somalia
caused the deaths of "at least eight
civilians, including two women and two
children". </span><span style="FONT-FAMILY:
'Arial'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-WEIGHT: 700">To
believe that the US and its allies can just
continue to go around the world, in country
after country, and bomb and kill innocent
people - Muslims - and not be targeted with
"terrorist" attacks is, for obvious reasons,
lunacy. </span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial'; FONT-SIZE:
12pt; FONT-WEIGHT: 700">Fourth, </span><span
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'ArialMT'; FONT-SIZE:
12pt">for all the self-flattering rhetoric
that western democracies love to apply to
themselves, it is extraordinary how these
wars are waged without any pretense of
democratic process. [...] </span><span
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial'; FONT-SIZE:
12pt; FONT-WEIGHT: 700">The Obama
administration has, of course, draped its
entire drone and global assassination
campaign in an impenetrable cloth of
secrecy, ensuring it remains beyond the
scrutinizing reach of media outlets, courts,
and its own citizens. </span><span
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'ArialMT'; FONT-SIZE:
12pt">The US and its western allies do not
merely wage endless war aimed invariably at
Muslims. They do so in virtually complete
secrecy, without any transparency or
accountability. Meet the western
"democracies". </span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial'; FONT-SIZE:
12pt; FONT-WEIGHT: 700">Finally, </span><span
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'ArialMT'; FONT-SIZE:
12pt">the propaganda used to justify all of
this is depressingly common yet wildly
effective. </span><span style="FONT-FAMILY:
'Arial'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-WEIGHT: 700">Any
western government that wants to bomb
Muslims simply slaps the label of
"terrorists" on them, and any real debate or
critical assessment instantly ends before it
can even begin. </span><span
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'ArialMT'; FONT-SIZE:
12pt">[...] There is no doubt that the
Malian rebels have engaged in all sorts of
heinous atrocities ("amputations, flogging,
and stoning to death for those who oppose
their interpretation of Islam"), but so,
too, have Malian government forces -
including, as Amnesty chronicled,
"arresting, torturing and killing Tuareg
people apparently only on ethnic ground." As
Jones aptly warns: "don't </span><span
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial'; FONT-SIZE:
12pt; FONT-WEIGHT: 700">fall for a narrative
so often pushed by the Western media: a
perverse oversimplification of good fighting
evil, just as we have seen imposed on
Syria's brutal civil war." </span><span
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'ArialMT'; FONT-SIZE:
12pt">[...] </span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-STYLE: italic; FONT-FAMILY:
'Arial'; FONT-SIZE: 14pt">(and, from a Jan
22nd article by Seumas Milne, also in The
Guardian2) </span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'ArialMT';
FONT-SIZE: 12pt">[...] </span><span
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial'; FONT-SIZE:
12pt; FONT-WEIGHT: 700">All this is anyway
about a good deal more than terrorism. </span><span
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'ArialMT'; FONT-SIZE:
12pt">Underlying the growing western
military involvement in Africa – from the
spread of American bases under the US Africa
Command to France's resumption of its
post-colonial habit of routine armed
intervention – is </span><span
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial'; FONT-SIZE:
12pt; FONT-WEIGHT: 700">a struggle for
resources and strategic control, in the face
of China's expanding economic role in the
continent. </span><span style="FONT-FAMILY:
'ArialMT'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">In north and
west Africa, that's not just about oil and
gas, but also uranium in countries like
Niger – and Mali. </span><span
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial'; FONT-SIZE:
12pt; FONT-WEIGHT: 700">Terrorism has long
since become a catch-all cover for
legitimizing aggressive war. </span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'ArialMT';
FONT-SIZE: 12pt">[1] </span><span
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'ArialMT'; FONT-SIZE:
11pt"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jan/14/mali-france-bombing-intervention-libya">http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jan/14/mali-france-bombing-intervention-libya</a><br>
[2] <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jan/22/mali-fastest-blowback-war-on-terror/">http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jan/22/mali-fastest-blowback-war-on-terror/</a>
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<p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial'; FONT-SIZE:
11pt; FONT-WEIGHT: 700">It doesn't have to
be this way. Let your elected
representatives know you oppose the pattern
of endless intervention and war. </span><span
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'ArialMT'; FONT-SIZE:
11pt">In this area: </span><span
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial'; FONT-SIZE:
11pt; FONT-WEIGHT: 700">US Rep. Rodney Davis
</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'ArialMT';
FONT-SIZE: 11pt">(R IL-13), </span><span
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Helvetica'; FONT-SIZE:
11pt">(202) 224-3121, and </span><span
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Helvetica'; FONT-SIZE:
11pt; FONT-WEIGHT: 700">US Senators Richard
Durbin </span><span style="FONT-FAMILY:
'Helvetica'; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">(D-IL) </span><span
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'ArialMT'; FONT-SIZE:
11pt">(202) 224-2152, </span><span
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Helvetica'; FONT-SIZE:
11pt">and </span><span style="FONT-FAMILY:
'Helvetica'; FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-WEIGHT:
700">Mark Kirk </span><span
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Helvetica'; FONT-SIZE:
11pt">(R-IL) </span><span
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'ArialMT'; FONT-SIZE:
11pt">(202) 224-2854. </span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'ArialMT';
FONT-SIZE: 11pt">This flyer comes from
AWARE, the Anti-War, Anti-Racism Effort of
Champaign-Urbana – on Facebook at: </span><span
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial'; FONT-SIZE:
11pt; FONT-WEIGHT: 700"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://on.fb.me/WHYaje">http://on.fb.me/WHYaje</a>
</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'ArialMT';
FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Watch our weekly Urbana
Public TV (channel 6) program, “AWARE on the
Air”, Tuesdays at 10PM – or join us in the
Urbana City Council Chambers for the live
unrehearsed recordings at noon Tuesdays. </span><span
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Helvetica'; FONT-SIZE:
11pt">Meetings? 5PM Sunday evenings. Write
us at </span><span style="FONT-FAMILY:
'Helvetica'; FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-WEIGHT:
700"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:aware@anti-war.net">aware@anti-war.net</a>
</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Helvetica';
FONT-SIZE: 11pt">for more info. </span></p>
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