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A pack of pathetic nonsense it seems.<br>
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Indeed it is interesting that there<br>
have been no info leaks.<br>
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I saw the burnt shell of the cctv tower. it just stood there<br>
rusty and burnt up like a matchstick.<br>
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On 07/13/13 0:36, Chris Goodrow wrote:
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<div>Here is a link from NIST offering no explanation for their
conclusions. </div>
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Chris
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On Jul 12, 2013, at 5:40 AM, "Stephen Francis" <<a
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<div><span>The key to the WTC demolitions is WTC7. It was the 47
story building within a few hundred yards of the WTC towers. The WTC7
fell into its own footprint in less than 10 seconds at 5:20 on 9/11/01.
There were only a few small fires on two floors. NIST offers no
explanation for their conclusions, they just say they can't explain it.
The 9/11 bogus commission didn't even include this in their reports.
Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth focus on WTC7 because no planes
struck it. It was not hit by a plane and with great amazement the BBC
actually reported the collapse a half hour before it occurred. All
this is meticulously documented. I could go on and on here with far
more dramatic evidence. I'm sure many of you know all this. </span><span
style="font-size: 12pt;"> If you continue investigating just WTC7
issues you find all sorts of financial and political links that are
highly suspicious. </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;">If you can
refute this with real evidence I would be glad to look at it. </span></div>
<div
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: garamond,'new york',times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>As
far as the WTC towers themselves, no other steel frame structures have
ever collapsed due to fire. Here's a small list of comparable
buildings that burned far longer and hotter and did not collapse: </span><a
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href="http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/compare/fires.html"
style="font-size: 12pt;">http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/compare/fires.html</a>
They include the One Meridian Plaza, First Interstate Bank, New York
Plaza, Caracas Tower, Windsor Building, Beijing Mandarin Oriental
Hotel, CTV Tower and the recent fires of high rise towers in downtown
Moscow and in Chechnya.....I could go on. They were all completely
engrossed in flames and there was not even a hint of collapse. </div>
<div
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: garamond,'new york',times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;">9/11
led to the Patriot Act which has given us the NSA, Iraq,
Afghanistan.... its all pretty clear. No real independent
investigation has ever occurred. Follow the money. Again, track down
the financial and political connections to 9/11 and the truth will be
presented to you on a platter. Thank you.</div>
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style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Chris Goodrow <<a
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<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> David Johnson
<<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:dlj725@hughes.net">dlj725@hughes.net</a>>
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<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> Peace-discuss
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"<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:occupycu@lists.chambana.net">occupycu@lists.chambana.net</a>"
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<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, July
11, 2013 8:37 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re:
[OccupyCU] [Peace-discuss] Save books, because you can't save kids from
Obama?<br>
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<div>Dave, </div>
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<div>While I appreciate the offer, I don't see it as an issue. I
also wouldn't go on the radio to discuss with birthers my opinion of
that. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Here's something I never quite understood. We know two planes
hit the World Trade Center buildings. What reason would there be to
place detonators in surrounding buildings? Did the actual perpetrators
of this feel that two planes flying into the twin towers and one into
the Pentagon wouldn't bring enough outrage to the American people to
help justify going into Afghanistan or Iraq later with the right amount
of propaganda? We would need surrounding buildings to collapse to
finally put us over the edge?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Oh wait, that's right, a plane didn't fly into the Pentagon.
That was a missile, right? Then where did that plane go? Did it just
disappear?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>My point is that not only do I feel I don't need to spend time
and energy investigating 9/11, I also don't feel the need to spend time
and energy arguing against the conspiracy theory. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>As far as our government is concerned involving 9/11, if
anything, their complicity would be negligence. <br>
<br>
Chris
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On Jul 11, 2013, at 10:03 PM, "David Johnson" <<a
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<div><b><font face="Arial">Chris,</font></b></div>
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<div><b><font face="Arial">I am having Stephen as a guest on the
World Labor Hour a week from this Saturday ( July 20th ) to specificly
talk about who and what the organization Architects and Engineers for
9-11 Truth is all about.</font></b></div>
<div><b><font face="Arial">Would you like to also come on the
program to discuss this issue ?</font></b></div>
<div> </div>
<div><b><font face="Arial">David Johnson</font></b></div>
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title="c_goodrow@hotmail.com" ymailto="mailto:c_goodrow@hotmail.com"
target="_blank" href="mailto:c_goodrow@hotmail.com">Chris Goodrow</a> </div>
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<a moz-do-not-send="true" rel="nofollow"
title="stephenf1113@yahoo.com" ymailto="mailto:stephenf1113@yahoo.com"
target="_blank" href="mailto:stephenf1113@yahoo.com">Stephen Francis</a>
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<div
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<a moz-do-not-send="true" rel="nofollow"
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ymailto="mailto:peace-discuss@anti-war.net" target="_blank"
href="mailto:peace-discuss@anti-war.net">peace-discuss@anti-war.net</a>
; <a moz-do-not-send="true" rel="nofollow"
title="carl@newsfromneptune.com"
ymailto="mailto:carl@newsfromneptune.com" target="_blank"
href="mailto:carl@newsfromneptune.com">C. G. Estabrook</a> ; <a
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<div
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Thursday, July 11, 2013 8:17 PM</div>
<div
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Re: [OccupyCU] [Peace-discuss] Save books,because you can't save kids
from Obama?</div>
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<div>I'd like to answer this one. Why is very little attention
paid to the 9/11 Truth movement? Probably because there are already
enough people paying attention to it. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>You claim there are only two possible reasons people would
disagree with this conspiracy theory. Either misinformed or a ulterior
motive for doing so. You left out one other possibility which I feel I
fall under. Maybe we just think it's bunk. For as many people who think
this as fact, there are so many more who do not, many of them
architects or engineers. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>But mostly, I think you give our government far too much
credit to be able to first, pull this off and secondly, not get it
leaked. A government that could pull off something this sophisticated
would also be able to "find" WMDs. That would be a cake walk in
comparison. <br>
<br>
Chris
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On Jul 11, 2013, at 7:44 AM, "Stephen Francis" <<a
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<div><span>I'll go out on a limb here and defend Carl
Estabrook to a certain degree. Why is it that certain people can get
so disturbed by a 'library' story and then not participate in any sort
of local action involving national issues such as fracking,
jails-for-profit, manufactured wars. It can be likened to CNN's
calculated fixation on George Zimmerman. But this is too harsh because
I don't know enough about the individuals who are so exited about the
'library' issue..so I'll back off of that. I agree we shouldn't
disparage them. I will not only defend Carl but take it one more step
and ask why there is very little attention paid to the 9/11 Truth
movement. </span></div>
<div
style="background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; font-family: garamond,'new york',times,serif; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px;"><span>There
is more than ample proof that 9/11 was an inside job. Anyone who
disagrees with this has not researched or have an agenda to suppress
it. To me it is an effective litmus test to judge the real intentions
of a so called peace activist. There are very powerful forces in the
media and government who want to suppress the 9/11 Truth movement and
an effective way is to distract via Zimmerman or other 'stories' that
well up emotions. </span></div>
<div
style="background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; font-family: garamond,'new york',times,serif; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px;"><span>The
Architects and Engineers for 9/11 <a moz-do-not-send="true"
rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://truth.org/">Truth.org</a>
is initiating a $300,000 world wide campaign to raise awareness.
AE911Truth is comprised of 2000 professional architects and engineers
and over 17000 supporters who prove with the laws of physics that three
WTC towers were intentionally demolished. A certain middle eastern
country does not want this information known. </span></div>
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href="mailto:stuartnlevy@gmail.com">stuartnlevy@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> "Rickman,
Aimee N" <<a moz-do-not-send="true" rel="nofollow"
ymailto="mailto:arickman@illinois.edu" target="_blank"
href="mailto:arickman@illinois.edu">arickman@illinois.edu</a>>; C.
G. Estabrook <<a moz-do-not-send="true" rel="nofollow"
ymailto="mailto:carl@newsfromneptune.com" target="_blank"
href="mailto:carl@newsfromneptune.com">carl@newsfromneptune.com</a>>;
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<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> occupycu
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Wednesday, July 10, 2013 2:34 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re:
[OccupyCU] [Peace-discuss] Save books, because you can't save kids from
Obama?<br>
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Carl, and all,<br>
<br>
It's 'way easier for people to mobilize on issues that are seen as <br>
affecting them directly. If more of us had relatives in AF, PK, IQ, <br>
Yemen, etc., then more anti-war events these days might fill rooms, <br>
too. But to most people in the US, war and peace feel like pretty <br>
remote issues - and intractable ones.<br>
<br>
Of course not everyone feels that way. You may remember Aimee as the <br>
one who led a bunch of us in demonstrating against, and publicly <br>
questioning, a champion of the military-industrial complex whom the U
of <br>
I recently invited to speak on the "public good" (!) - Norman
Augustine, <br>
ex-head of Lockheed Martin.<br>
<br>
If we want to see an anti-war movement that is as effective in <br>
organizing people as other local activists have been in organizing them
<br>
over libraries, schools, and jails, then we have to find a way to make <br>
distant, ever-more-secret wars seem immediate and personal - and to
make <br>
them seem other than inevitable. (Remember the woman who, at a recent <br>
demonstration, commented that "no one goes to war because they *want*
to.")<br>
<br>
There's no need to disparage local democratic action because we haven't
<br>
figured out how to do that.<br>
<br>
Stuart<br>
<br>
On 7/10/13 10:17 AM, Rickman, Aimee N wrote:<br>
> Carl,<br>
><br>
> I am really troubled by this comment. Do you even know what is
going on at the library?<br>
><br>
> Your insinuation that the concerns raised over the situation at
the library somehow take energy away from organizing around more
important issues is offensive and wrong. People organizing around the
library are addressing issues of labor, of power, of transparency, of
private control over public spaces, with folks from CU demanding public
involvement in the stewarding of this local public institutions.<br>
><br>
> Is the library situation as worrisome as the US drone program? As
the findings and treatment of Snoden, Manning, or Assange? As the
dismantling of the voter right bill? As our continued involvement in
the middle east? No. But it is not fair for you to pit this issue
against the others and call one more worthy than the other. Those of us
organizing around the library are not tunnel-visioned. We can (and do)
give our attention to more than one issue at a time. Your comment
suggests that the library is being challenged to the detriment of the
betterment of other worthy causes. This is not the case. It is not a
zero sum game. And it is for you to suggest that this is a displaced
witch hunt trivializes what is going on at the library and demeans the
powerful ripple effect that comes from movements such as this that
encourage citizens to claim their rights and to realize (despite all
they are told) that they can make a difference in how things go.<br>
><br>
> Beyond this, your comment is a very familiar cocky discrediting of
an effort for not being the "real" or "right" one. Why, Carl? You must
see that this is demeaning and offensive and just plain wrong.<br>
><br>
> Perhaps you want to learn more about what is going on at UFL? If
so, here's a clearinghouse of information: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
href="http://reclaimingourlibrary.blogspot.com/">http://reclaimingourlibrary.blogspot.com/</a><br>
><br>
> But I am guessing you are not interested in this. I admired you on
News from Neptune, but have grown more than weary of your eternally
pessimistic and judgmental armchair commentary on this list. I think
you're more than content to be in this space whether the target of your
critique is Obama or your activist neighbors.<br>
><br>
> It is unfortunate.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
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> Subject: [OccupyCU] Save books, because you can't save kids from
Obama?<br>
><br>
> Quite remarkable outrage is being displayed by people of
progressive disposition in Urbana over the discarding of books from the
local library.<br>
><br>
> Given IT, such a decision is probably of as little importance as
at any time since the invention of printing. But a friend plausibly
suggests that the outrage is displaced affect, arising from our seeming
inability or unwillingness to stop the all-but-ignored killing by our
murderous government - or even to stop our chief magistrate (whom many
library protestors voted for) from persecuting those who publish the
truth - Snowden, Manning, Assange, et al.<br>
><br>
> We choke on a culling gnat and stomach a criminal camel.<br>
><br>
> <a moz-do-not-send="true" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
href="http://www.news-gazette.com/news/local/2013-07-09/updated-urbana-library-seek-early-separation-director.html">http://www.news-gazette.com/news/local/2013-07-09/updated-urbana-library-seek-early-separation-director.html</a><br>
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