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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
title=1999wildcat@gmail.com href="mailto:1999wildcat@gmail.com">John Reimann</A>
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<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Monday, July 15, 2013 12:25 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [socialistdiscussion] Re: The Zimmerman
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<DIV dir=ltr>In investigating the trial a little further, I have to modify my
original comments. I am writing an article on this, but it's clear that the lead
prosecutor in this trial made some critical mistakes, including placing
Zimmerman's defense into evidence as part of the prosecutor's case. This then
eliminated the need for Zimmerman to testify, where he could have been ripped to
shreds by any half way serious cross examination. Further, there was the chief
police witness who testified under cross examination that he found Zimmerman to
have been credible. In the first place, when does a cop every testify like that?
Second, why didn't the prosecution object to the question?
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<DIV>True, the jury had to work with what they were given - within the system.
And true the system itself is fatally flawed. But what they were given was
extremely flawed due to the prosecution's presentation. Oh, and by the way, the
chief prosecutor - Angela Corey - has a history of having tried an unusually
high number of black youth as adults, even by Florida standards.</DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 10:17 AM, David <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:tialsedov@yahoo.com"
target=_blank>tialsedov@yahoo.com</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<P>John is absolutely correct. The jury could only follow the evidence
admitted into court, with 'race' excluded, though of course the defense
attorney used this often enough. In that sense the verdict was more or less
predictable.<BR><BR>It reinforces the the now legal ability of anyone to
stalk, armed, any black youth and murder him. At least in Florida.<BR><BR>I
would maintain, legally, that this is *still* a violation of the stand your
ground law which implies self defense, and not the stalking of a victim
against the *orders* of the emergency 911 dispatcher! In that sense I think
the *legal* (as opposed to the white power structure social context) defense
was flawed as well yet that latter social context of believing the person 'up
holding the law', Zimmerman,was 'believed' by the jurors.<BR><BR>D.</P>
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<DIV class=h5><BR><BR>--- In <A
href="mailto:socialistdiscussion%40yahoogroups.com"
target=_blank>socialistdiscussion@yahoogroups.com</A>, John Reimann
<1999wildcat@...> wrote:<BR>><BR>> I'd like to raise some points
about the Zimmerman case.<BR>> <BR>> In the US court system, the accused
is innocent until proven guilty, and he<BR>> or she must be so proven
"beyond a reasonable shadow of doubt."<BR>> <BR>> Zimmerman's claim was
that he was attacked by Martin, who had him down on<BR>> the ground and was
hitting him. Under Florida law, in that situation he had<BR>> a right to
use a gun to defend himself. His claim was never disproven.<BR>> <BR>> I
think that what this shows is the limitations of the capitalist legal<BR>>
system. Zimmerman is a racist who provoked Martin by stalking him. But
this<BR>> was legally irrelevant. And in different circumstances,
socialists would<BR>> want similar issues to be considered
irrelevant.<BR>> <BR>> If somebody had a history of conflict with police
and had demonstrated a<BR>> dislike of police and was at one point attacked
and beaten by the cops,<BR>> socialists (and others) wold want this
victim's past to be kept out of the<BR>> case.<BR>> <BR>> I think
that the deeper problem, therefore, is that in a system whose state<BR>> is
rightfully considered the enemy of the masses of people, you have to<BR>>
keep every safeguard possible against state persecution in the courts.
The<BR>> problem is that this means that violent racists like Zimmerman
will also<BR>> often go free.<BR>> <BR>> John<BR>> <BR>> --
<BR>> "Poems don't belong to those who write them; they belong to those who
need<BR>> them" - from movie "Il Postino"<BR>> Check out:https:<A
href="http://oaklandsocialist.com"
target=_blank>http://oaklandsocialist.com</A> and //<BR>> <A
href="http://www.facebook.com/WorkersIntlNetwork?ref=stream"
target=_blank>www.facebook.com/WorkersIntlNetwork?ref=stream</A><BR>><BR><BR></DIV></DIV>
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