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<DIV>Paul,</DIV>
<DIV>I am really confused by this post of yours in that it is address to both
Carl and myself and includes a post from Carl to me with ccs to others in which
the statement “<SPAN><FONT face="Times New Roman"><STRONG>and if you read the
article, the author says that this trial was fundamentally flawed because it
left race out” </STRONG></FONT><FONT face=Calibri>is included a being part of
Carl’s post. However, I never received any such posting from Carl with
that statement as part of it, so either I did not get this posting from Carl or
that statement is yours and not Carl’s. If the latter is the case,
including it in bold font without indicating that it is your comment and not
Carl’s is not very clear.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN>I did read the link to the Counterpunch article that Carl furnished
and I understand that the author made that point; however, I do not think that
the trial was <STRONG><EM>fundamentally</EM></STRONG> flawed because race was
left out, although it may have been one of the flaws of the trial. So in
that regard, I disagree with the author. I think that the fundamental flaw
was not allowing evidence, testimony, and arguments concerning the fact that
Zimmerman initiated the confrontation (for whatever reasons) and did not take
the opportunity to withdrawal before the physical elements of the fight
began when he could have as well as the possibility that his actions could have
been perceived by Martin as being threatening enough to make him fear for his
safety. Race as a factor only speaks to possible motivation for Zimmerman’s
noticing, following, and initiating a confrontation with Martin; but it is not
really essential to deciding the guilt or non-guilt with respect to the
charges. It would be a fundamental flaw if Zimmerman was charge with
deliberately killing Martin because of his race but any consideration of race
and racism were excluded from consideration.</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN>If your message and the inclusion of the said bold type statement was
directed to Carl and not really to me, then I will let Carl speak for
himself.</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=paulmueth@yahoo.com
href="mailto:paulmueth@yahoo.com">Paul Mueth</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> July 16, 2013 6:10 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=carl@newsfromneptune.com
href="mailto:carl@newsfromneptune.com">C. G. Estabrook</A> ; <A
title=ls1000@live.com href="mailto:ls1000@live.com">Laurie Solomon</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=r-szoke@illinois.edu
href="mailto:r-szoke@illinois.edu">Szoke, Ronald Duane</A> ; <A
title=Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net
href="mailto:Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net">Peace Discuss</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Peace-discuss] Comment on some recent faking &
bluffing</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<FONT size=2 face=Arial><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> C.
G. Estabrook <carl@newsfromneptune.com><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> Laurie Solomon <ls1000@live.com>
<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</SPAN></B> "Szoke, Ronald Duane"
<r-szoke@illinois.edu>; Peace Discuss
<Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net> <BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Tuesday, July 16, 2013 4:09
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: CP article
& Comment on some recent joking<BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=y_msg_container><BR>'...William Kunstler, the great civil rights
attorney who died in 1995, once told me he believed in the jury system
absolutely. “If I didn’t,” he said, “I’d quit this tomorrow and get a gun
instead.”<BR><BR>'“Even in the South?” I asked him.<BR><BR>'“Even in the South,”
Bill said.<BR><BR>'It was his experience, Bill said, that even in bigoted
communities, juries would, with rare exceptions, base their decisions on what
transpired within the courtroom...'<BR><BR>Full at <<A
href="http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/07/15/why-george-zimmerman-walked/"
target=_blank>http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/07/15/why-george-zimmerman-walked/</A>>.<BR><BR><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">and if you read the article, the author says that this
trial was fundamentally flawed because it left race out</SPAN><BR>>>>
<BR><BR>Zimmerman Juror Says Panel Considered Stand Your Ground In
Deliberations: ‘He Had A Right To Defend Himself’ <SPAN
style="FONT-STYLE: italic">tho't I'd leave this line in
again</SPAN><BR>__________________________________________________________________________________<BR>This
idiotic joking about coon and animal epithets probably doesn't deserve
comment. But .. . <BR>Mencken's dispassionate etymology include the story
of the 1889 song Every Race Has a Flag But the Coon,<BR><BR>This was a time of
widespread lynching on the slimmest pretext. 1909 was the Springfield "race
riot" that lead to the forming of the NAACP. It was really an attack on the
least poor A-A neighborhood which was burned out, probably motivated in part by
economic reasons.<BR><BR>The chuckling fraternity that says "Americans are too
sensitive about particular words" ought to examine their callousness.<BR><BR>BTW
I introduced the word "coon" because some are convinced that the 911 call
transcript is wrong and does include Z using the word. It's peculiar there's no
authoritative understanding of the truth of what was said and by
who.<BR><BR><BR></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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