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title=1999wildcat@gmail.com href="mailto:1999wildcat@gmail.com">John Reimann</A>
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<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=socialistdiscussion@yahoogroups.com
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<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, July 21, 2013 12:09 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [socialistdiscussion] obama on verdict</DIV></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr>As I wrote before, Obama is not Bush.
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<DIV>His was a subtly nuanced speech. He and his faction of corporate-controlled
politicians (a faction known as the Democratic Party) stand at risk of losing an
important base - the black community. This is not only important for their
election prospects, even more significant it is a threat to the continued
political stability of US capitalism. If you read the speech closely, you will
see how he tries to connect with the black community without in any way
threatening the forces of "law and order".</DIV>
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<DIV>I am reminded of the speech that Lyndon Baines Johnson gave after the
Alabama police attack on Civil rights marchers in Selma in 1965. I was at City
College of New York at that time. It had a very liberal student body. I remember
coming to school after that brutal assault and fellow students were furious not
only about the assault but also about Johnson's failure to act. A day or two
later, Johnson gave a strongly worded speech which he concluded with "We shall
overcome! We shall overcome!" I came to school the next day and a lot of my
friends were ecstatic about the speech. I simply asked them, "yes, but what did
he say he was going to do?" They looked at me in confusion and said
nothing.</DIV>
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<DIV>This is not 1965, Obama is not Johnson and masses of people are not
organized as they were back then (not yet, anyway), but the point is the
same.</DIV>
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<DIV>John</DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 9:42 AM, Richard Mellor <SPAN
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target=_blank>AACTIVIST@igc.org</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<P>Obama is referring to this for one reason. He has been forced to
shift from "the jury has spoken" and we are a nation of laws, due to the
pressure in the streets. There have been protests in over 100 cities.
Here in the Oakland area there were overwhelmingly peaceful protests
including the blocking of a major freeway. I thought it was interesting
in that report from the local news that they talked to a couple of the
motorists and they were quite supportive though it inconvenienced them.
This is Murdoch's station and it is not insignificant they there wasn't
the usual tirade against protesters. There is considerable opposition to
this verdict even among whites and the capitalist class is wary. I know
a number of people that wouldn't attend the first rallies because they were
afraid of violence but protests have been overwhelmingly non violent.</P>
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<DIV>My 15 year old grandson, who is black, impressed me as he told me
he called in to KGO late last night to speak on the Trayvon Martin verdict
after some white dude had called in saying something about how black youth
need to dress in a way that doesn't scare white folks. When you have a
child, grandchild or relative who is black, male and dark skinned like my
grandson you are always concerned when they are out there in the streets
simply minding their own business.</DIV>
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<DIV>I am not moved by Obama's personal stories. He's a slick bourgeois war
criminal.</DIV>
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<DIV>Richard
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<DIV>On Jul 21, 2013, at 7:43 AM, Dan <<A
href="mailto:dan.armstronguk@yahoo.co.uk"
target=_blank>dan.armstronguk@yahoo.co.uk</A>> wrote:</DIV><BR>
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<P>As a young man with dark hair and a beard, I lived abroad for a time. I
recognise exactly what Obama is referring to: little old ladies clutched
their handbags tightly, some crossed the road to avoid my proximity. Many
glared and even ignored greetings. And I am not even
black.<BR><BR>Dan<BR><BR>--- In <A
href="mailto:socialistdiscussion%40yahoogroups.com"
target=_blank>socialistdiscussion@yahoogroups.com</A>, John Reimann
<1999wildcat@...> wrote:<BR>><BR>> I, too, think that ignoring
the rest of Obama's speech is not correct. I<BR>> too think that we have
to give him his due credit. However, we also have to<BR>> consider what
sort of credit he is due.<BR>> <BR>> Those who say that there is no
difference between Obama and Bush are<BR>> mistaken. The key difference
is that Bush was obtuse. There is a reason<BR>> that the tops of the US
capitalist class maneuvered Obama into power.<BR>> Internationally as
well as domestically, they realized that the approach of<BR>> Bush would
cause immense problems. Internationally, they knew that the US<BR>> was
going to need allies in its future wars and to get them the US
couldn't<BR>> just go around invading any country it wanted anytime it
wanted.<BR>> Domestically, they knew the then just developing economic
crisis meant that<BR>> they would need a president who would have some
populist credentials. It's<BR>> no accident that the two top contenders
for the 2008 presidential<BR>> nomination were a woman and a black
man.<BR>> <BR>> When Zimmerman was first let off, Obama more or less
dismissed it with a<BR>> comment that the jury had decided and we live in
a system of laws. The<BR>> outrage, especially in the black community,
must have been communicated to<BR>> him. This would have been done
through the black ministers, as well as<BR>> police spies, etc. He and
his advisors realized that something had to be<BR>> said to mollify
people, especially in the black community. If you read the<BR>>
transcript of his speech, it's clear that that is what he was trying to
do,<BR>> while at the same time not offencing anybody in law enforcement
or the<BR>> criminal (in)justice system (including the judge).<BR>>
<BR>> His speech was really a pretty highly nuanced one, and we need to
recognize<BR>> it.<BR>> <BR>> John<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> On
Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 5:21 AM, David Johnson <davidjohnson1451@...<BR>>
> wrote:<BR>> <BR>> > **<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> >
**<BR>> > *That's typical Obama !*<BR>> > **<BR>> > *He
talks a good talk, but actions always speak louder than words, and
he<BR>> > never does what is in the best interests of ; Working
people, justice, etc..<BR>> > *<BR>> > *In fact, I seriously
doubt Obama has had in his lifetime even a<BR>> > microcasm of
negative racial experiences that the average African American<BR>> >
has had. Considering Obama's priviledged background ; Mother's family
in<BR>> > the banking industry and the U.S. Intelligence community as
well as an<BR>> > Indonesian colonel step-father. All the best private
schools, and then<BR>> > Columbia university, Harvard, and then the
University of Chicago.*<BR>> > **<BR>> > *David J.*<BR>>
><BR>> ><BR>> > ----- Original Message -----<BR>> >
*From:* Dan <dan.armstronguk@...><BR>> > *To:* <A
href="mailto:socialistdiscussion%40yahoogroups.com"
target=_blank>socialistdiscussion@yahoogroups.com</A><BR>> > *Sent:*
Saturday, July 20, 2013 5:40 AM<BR>> > *Subject:* Re: Fw:
[socialistdiscussion] obama on verdict<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>>
><BR>> > Picking out 4 sentences from Obama's 18 minute speech in
which he<BR>> > recounted amongst much else his personal experience of
racist reactions to<BR>> > himself as a young man seems to me to be
wholly unfair. Give credit where<BR>> > it is due, even when it is
contradicted by other things the man does or<BR>> > doesn't
do.<BR>> ><BR>> > Dan<BR>> ><BR>> > --- In <A
href="mailto:socialistdiscussion%40yahoogroups.com"
target=_blank>socialistdiscussion@yahoogroups.com</A>, "David
Johnson"<BR>> > <davidjohnson1451@> wrote:<BR>> >
><BR>> > > Did anyone really expect anything else from Obama,
considering<BR>> > everything he has done ( or not done ) in the past
?<BR>> > > Unless of course it is on behalf of corporate amerika,
then he is gung<BR>> > ho and spare no time or expense to make it
happen.<BR>> > ><BR>> > > David Johnson<BR>> >
><BR>> > > ----- Original Message -----<BR>> > > From:
Richard Mellor<BR>> > > To: Rogerslist<BR>> > > Sent:
Friday, July 19, 2013 3:38 PM<BR>> > > Subject:
[socialistdiscussion] obama on verdict<BR>> > ><BR>> >
><BR>> > ><BR>> > > Obama spoke today on the Zimmerman
verdict:<BR>> > ><BR>> > ><BR>> > ><BR>> >
> "The judge conducted the trial in a professional manner. The
prosecution<BR>> > and the defense made their arguments. The jurors
were properly instructed<BR>> > that in a case such as this reasonable
doubt was relevant, and they<BR>> > rendered a verdict," Obama said.
"And once the jury has spoken, that's how<BR>> > our system
works."<BR>> > ><BR>> > ><BR>> > ><BR>> >
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> ><BR>> > ><BR>> > > "Just because you don't take
an interest in politics doesn't mean<BR>> > politics won't take an
interest in you." Pericles, 430 BC<BR>> > ><BR>> > >
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