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<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, July 21, 2013 11:42 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [socialistdiscussion] obama on verdict</DIV></DIV>
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<P>Obama is referring to this for one reason. He has been forced to shift
from "the jury has spoken" and we are a nation of laws, due to the pressure in
the streets. There have been protests in over 100 cities. Here in
the Oakland area there were overwhelmingly peaceful protests including the
blocking of a major freeway. I thought it was interesting in that report
from the local news that they talked to a couple of the motorists and they were
quite supportive though it inconvenienced them. This is Murdoch's station
and it is not insignificant they there wasn't the usual tirade against
protesters. There is considerable opposition to this verdict even among
whites and the capitalist class is wary. I know a number of people that
wouldn't attend the first rallies because they were afraid of violence but
protests have been overwhelmingly non violent.
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<DIV>My 15 year old grandson, who is black, impressed me as he told me he
called in to KGO late last night to speak on the Trayvon Martin verdict after
some white dude had called in saying something about how black youth need to
dress in a way that doesn't scare white folks. When you have a child,
grandchild or relative who is black, male and dark skinned like my grandson you
are always concerned when they are out there in the streets simply minding their
own business.</DIV>
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<DIV>I am not moved by Obama's personal stories. He's a slick bourgeois war
criminal.</DIV>
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<DIV>Richard <BR>
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<DIV>On Jul 21, 2013, at 7:43 AM, Dan <<A
href="mailto:dan.armstronguk@yahoo.co.uk">dan.armstronguk@yahoo.co.uk</A>>
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<P>As a young man with dark hair and a beard, I lived abroad for a time. I
recognise exactly what Obama is referring to: little old ladies clutched their
handbags tightly, some crossed the road to avoid my proximity. Many glared and
even ignored greetings. And I am not even black.<BR><BR>Dan<BR><BR>--- In <A
href="mailto:socialistdiscussion%40yahoogroups.com">socialistdiscussion@yahoogroups.com</A>,
John Reimann <1999wildcat@...> wrote:<BR>><BR>> I, too, think that
ignoring the rest of Obama's speech is not correct. I<BR>> too think that
we have to give him his due credit. However, we also have to<BR>> consider
what sort of credit he is due.<BR>> <BR>> Those who say that there is no
difference between Obama and Bush are<BR>> mistaken. The key difference is
that Bush was obtuse. There is a reason<BR>> that the tops of the US
capitalist class maneuvered Obama into power.<BR>> Internationally as well
as domestically, they realized that the approach of<BR>> Bush would cause
immense problems. Internationally, they knew that the US<BR>> was going to
need allies in its future wars and to get them the US couldn't<BR>> just go
around invading any country it wanted anytime it wanted.<BR>> Domestically,
they knew the then just developing economic crisis meant that<BR>> they
would need a president who would have some populist credentials. It's<BR>>
no accident that the two top contenders for the 2008 presidential<BR>>
nomination were a woman and a black man.<BR>> <BR>> When Zimmerman was
first let off, Obama more or less dismissed it with a<BR>> comment that the
jury had decided and we live in a system of laws. The<BR>> outrage,
especially in the black community, must have been communicated to<BR>> him.
This would have been done through the black ministers, as well as<BR>>
police spies, etc. He and his advisors realized that something had to
be<BR>> said to mollify people, especially in the black community. If you
read the<BR>> transcript of his speech, it's clear that that is what he was
trying to do,<BR>> while at the same time not offencing anybody in law
enforcement or the<BR>> criminal (in)justice system (including the
judge).<BR>> <BR>> His speech was really a pretty highly nuanced one,
and we need to recognize<BR>> it.<BR>> <BR>> John<BR>> <BR>>
<BR>> On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 5:21 AM, David Johnson
<davidjohnson1451@...<BR>> > wrote:<BR>> <BR>> > **<BR>>
><BR>> ><BR>> > **<BR>> > *That's typical Obama
!*<BR>> > **<BR>> > *He talks a good talk, but actions always
speak louder than words, and he<BR>> > never does what is in the best
interests of ; Working people, justice, etc..<BR>> > *<BR>> > *In
fact, I seriously doubt Obama has had in his lifetime even a<BR>> >
microcasm of negative racial experiences that the average African
American<BR>> > has had. Considering Obama's priviledged background ;
Mother's family in<BR>> > the banking industry and the U.S. Intelligence
community as well as an<BR>> > Indonesian colonel step-father. All the
best private schools, and then<BR>> > Columbia university, Harvard, and
then the University of Chicago.*<BR>> > **<BR>> > *David
J.*<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > ----- Original Message
-----<BR>> > *From:* Dan <dan.armstronguk@...><BR>> > *To:*
<A
href="mailto:socialistdiscussion%40yahoogroups.com">socialistdiscussion@yahoogroups.com</A><BR>>
> *Sent:* Saturday, July 20, 2013 5:40 AM<BR>> > *Subject:* Re: Fw:
[socialistdiscussion] obama on verdict<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>>
><BR>> > Picking out 4 sentences from Obama's 18 minute speech in
which he<BR>> > recounted amongst much else his personal experience of
racist reactions to<BR>> > himself as a young man seems to me to be
wholly unfair. Give credit where<BR>> > it is due, even when it is
contradicted by other things the man does or<BR>> > doesn't do.<BR>>
><BR>> > Dan<BR>> ><BR>> > --- In <A
href="mailto:socialistdiscussion%40yahoogroups.com">socialistdiscussion@yahoogroups.com</A>,
"David Johnson"<BR>> > <davidjohnson1451@> wrote:<BR>> >
><BR>> > > Did anyone really expect anything else from Obama,
considering<BR>> > everything he has done ( or not done ) in the past
?<BR>> > > Unless of course it is on behalf of corporate amerika,
then he is gung<BR>> > ho and spare no time or expense to make it
happen.<BR>> > ><BR>> > > David Johnson<BR>> >
><BR>> > > ----- Original Message -----<BR>> > > From:
Richard Mellor<BR>> > > To: Rogerslist<BR>> > > Sent:
Friday, July 19, 2013 3:38 PM<BR>> > > Subject: [socialistdiscussion]
obama on verdict<BR>> > ><BR>> > ><BR>> > ><BR>>
> > Obama spoke today on the Zimmerman verdict:<BR>> >
><BR>> > ><BR>> > ><BR>> > > "The judge
conducted the trial in a professional manner. The prosecution<BR>> > and
the defense made their arguments. The jurors were properly instructed<BR>>
> that in a case such as this reasonable doubt was relevant, and
they<BR>> > rendered a verdict," Obama said. "And once the jury has
spoken, that's how<BR>> > our system works."<BR>> > ><BR>>
> ><BR>> > ><BR>> > <A
href="http://news.yahoo.com/-obama--trayvon-martin-%E2%80%98could-have-been-me-35-years-ago%E2%80%99--180734663.html">http://news.yahoo.com/-obama--trayvon-martin-%E2%80%98could-have-been-me-35-years-ago%E2%80%99--180734663.html</A><BR>>
> ><BR>> > ><BR>> > > "Just because you don't take an
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