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Obama is a manipulator.<br>
"He's a slick bourgeois war criminal."<br>
He dont give a rat's ass about any of you.<br>
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On 07/22/13 1:27, David Johnson wrote:
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<div><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, July 21, 2013 12:09 PM</div>
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<div dir="ltr">As I wrote before, Obama is not Bush.
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<div>His was a subtly nuanced speech. He and his faction of
corporate-controlled politicians (a faction known as the Democratic
Party) stand at risk of losing an important base - the black community.
This is not only important for their election prospects, even more
significant it is a threat to the continued political stability of US
capitalism. If you read the speech closely, you will see how he tries
to connect with the black community without in any way threatening the
forces of "law and order".</div>
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<div>I am reminded of the speech that Lyndon Baines Johnson gave
after the Alabama police attack on Civil rights marchers in Selma in
1965. I was at City College of New York at that time. It had a very
liberal student body. I remember coming to school after that brutal
assault and fellow students were furious not only about the assault but
also about Johnson's failure to act. A day or two later, Johnson gave a
strongly worded speech which he concluded with "We shall overcome! We
shall overcome!" I came to school the next day and a lot of my friends
were ecstatic about the speech. I simply asked them, "yes, but what did
he say he was going to do?" They looked at me in confusion and said
nothing.</div>
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<div>This is not 1965, Obama is not Johnson and masses of people are
not organized as they were back then (not yet, anyway), but the point
is the same.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 9:42 AM, Richard
Mellor <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<p>Obama is referring to this for one reason. He has been forced
to shift from "the jury has spoken" and we are a nation of laws, due to
the pressure in the streets. There have been protests in over 100
cities. Here in the Oakland area there were overwhelmingly peaceful
protests including the blocking of a major freeway. I thought it was
interesting in that report from the local news that they talked to a
couple of the motorists and they were quite supportive though it
inconvenienced them. This is Murdoch's station and it is not
insignificant they there wasn't the usual tirade against protesters.
There is considerable opposition to this verdict even among whites and
the capitalist class is wary. I know a number of people that wouldn't
attend the first rallies because they were afraid of violence but
protests have been overwhelmingly non violent.</p>
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<div>My 15 year old grandson, who is black, impressed me as he
told me he called in to KGO late last night to speak on the Trayvon
Martin verdict after some white dude had called in saying something
about how black youth need to dress in a way that doesn't scare white
folks. When you have a child, grandchild or relative who is black,
male and dark skinned like my grandson you are always concerned when
they are out there in the streets simply minding their own business.</div>
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<div>I am not moved by Obama's personal stories. He's a slick
bourgeois war criminal.</div>
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<div>Richard
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<div>On Jul 21, 2013, at 7:43 AM, Dan <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:dan.armstronguk@yahoo.co.uk" target="_blank">dan.armstronguk@yahoo.co.uk</a>>
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<p>As a young man with dark hair and a beard, I lived abroad for
a time. I recognise exactly what Obama is referring to: little old
ladies clutched their handbags tightly, some crossed the road to avoid
my proximity. Many glared and even ignored greetings. And I am not even
black.<br>
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Dan<br>
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--- In <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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John Reimann <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:1999wildcat@..."><1999wildcat@...></a> wrote:<br>
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> I, too, think that ignoring the rest of Obama's speech is not
correct. I<br>
> too think that we have to give him his due credit. However, we
also have to<br>
> consider what sort of credit he is due.<br>
> <br>
> Those who say that there is no difference between Obama and Bush
are<br>
> mistaken. The key difference is that Bush was obtuse. There is a
reason<br>
> that the tops of the US capitalist class maneuvered Obama into
power.<br>
> Internationally as well as domestically, they realized that the
approach of<br>
> Bush would cause immense problems. Internationally, they knew that
the US<br>
> was going to need allies in its future wars and to get them the US
couldn't<br>
> just go around invading any country it wanted anytime it wanted.<br>
> Domestically, they knew the then just developing economic crisis
meant that<br>
> they would need a president who would have some populist
credentials. It's<br>
> no accident that the two top contenders for the 2008 presidential<br>
> nomination were a woman and a black man.<br>
> <br>
> When Zimmerman was first let off, Obama more or less dismissed it
with a<br>
> comment that the jury had decided and we live in a system of laws.
The<br>
> outrage, especially in the black community, must have been
communicated to<br>
> him. This would have been done through the black ministers, as
well as<br>
> police spies, etc. He and his advisors realized that something had
to be<br>
> said to mollify people, especially in the black community. If you
read the<br>
> transcript of his speech, it's clear that that is what he was
trying to do,<br>
> while at the same time not offencing anybody in law enforcement or
the<br>
> criminal (in)justice system (including the judge).<br>
> <br>
> His speech was really a pretty highly nuanced one, and we need to
recognize<br>
> it.<br>
> <br>
> John<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 5:21 AM, David Johnson
<davidjohnson1451@...<br>
> > wrote:<br>
> <br>
> > **<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > **<br>
> > *That's typical Obama !*<br>
> > **<br>
> > *He talks a good talk, but actions always speak louder than
words, and he<br>
> > never does what is in the best interests of ; Working people,
justice, etc..<br>
> > *<br>
> > *In fact, I seriously doubt Obama has had in his lifetime
even a<br>
> > microcasm of negative racial experiences that the average
African American<br>
> > has had. Considering Obama's priviledged background ;
Mother's family in<br>
> > the banking industry and the U.S. Intelligence community as
well as an<br>
> > Indonesian colonel step-father. All the best private schools,
and then<br>
> > Columbia university, Harvard, and then the University of
Chicago.*<br>
> > **<br>
> > *David J.*<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > ----- Original Message -----<br>
> > *From:* Dan <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:dan.armstronguk@..."><dan.armstronguk@...></a><br>
> > *To:* <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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> > *Sent:* Saturday, July 20, 2013 5:40 AM<br>
> > *Subject:* Re: Fw: [socialistdiscussion] obama on verdict<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Picking out 4 sentences from Obama's 18 minute speech in
which he<br>
> > recounted amongst much else his personal experience of racist
reactions to<br>
> > himself as a young man seems to me to be wholly unfair. Give
credit where<br>
> > it is due, even when it is contradicted by other things the
man does or<br>
> > doesn't do.<br>
> ><br>
> > Dan<br>
> ><br>
> > --- In <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:socialistdiscussion%40yahoogroups.com" target="_blank">socialistdiscussion@yahoogroups.com</a>,
"David Johnson"<br>
> > <davidjohnson1451@> wrote:<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Did anyone really expect anything else from Obama,
considering<br>
> > everything he has done ( or not done ) in the past ?<br>
> > > Unless of course it is on behalf of corporate amerika,
then he is gung<br>
> > ho and spare no time or expense to make it happen.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > David Johnson<br>
> > ><br>
> > > ----- Original Message -----<br>
> > > From: Richard Mellor<br>
> > > To: Rogerslist<br>
> > > Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 3:38 PM<br>
> > > Subject: [socialistdiscussion] obama on verdict<br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > > Obama spoke today on the Zimmerman verdict:<br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > > "The judge conducted the trial in a professional manner.
The prosecution<br>
> > and the defense made their arguments. The jurors were
properly instructed<br>
> > that in a case such as this reasonable doubt was relevant,
and they<br>
> > rendered a verdict," Obama said. "And once the jury has
spoken, that's how<br>
> > our system works."<br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
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> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > > "Just because you don't take an interest in politics
doesn't mean<br>
> > politics won't take an interest in you." Pericles, 430 BC<br>
> > ><br>
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