<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>I have once again removed Occupy CU from the reply list, as it is not a discussion list. </div><div><br></div><div>Same question to you as Stephen. Do you think the videos he posted are right when they say the Jews made up all that stuff about the gas chambers at the death camps?</div><div><br></div><div>If not, do you believe that posting egregious antisemitic lies like that constitutes anti racism?</div><div><br>@%<</div><div><br>On Jul 25, 2013, at 5:10 PM, "David Johnson" <<a href="mailto:dlj725@hughes.net">dlj725@hughes.net</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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<div><strong><font size="4" face="Arial">Norman Finkelstein documents the phenomena
that Stephen describes, in his book ; " The Holacaust Industry "
!</font></strong></div>
<div><strong><font size="4" face="Arial">FYI - Norman Finkelstein is Jewish. His
parents BARELY survived the Nazi Fascist Auchewitz death camp as late teenagers
/ young adults. They were anti-Nazi Resistance fighters in the
Warsaw Ghetto uprising. Their parents ( Norman's grandparents, were
not so lucky ). Norman's parent's were LEFT-WING anti-Zionists, hence
anti-racist Jews.</font></strong></div>
<div><strong><font size="4" face="Arial">The fairytale about the Zionists is that
they organized the Warsaw Ghetto uprising, when in fact, they COLLABORATED
with the Nazis in order to allow rich Bourgoise Jews escape Nazi occupied
territory, at the expense and peril of course of Working class
Jews.</font></strong></div>
<div><strong><font size="4" face="Arial">This is the REAL history of the racist
neo-liberal war-mongering Israeli Zionists.</font></strong></div>
<div><strong><font size="4" face="Arial">David Gehrig it appears from his previous
postings is that he is an " Israel Uber Alles " racist Zionist appologist,
and attempts to use the label of " anti-semiticsm " against anyone who opposes
the neo-liberal corporate AIPAC right-wing pro-war Zionist agenda
!</font></strong></div>
<div><strong><font size="4" face="Arial">Mr. Gehrig, if you feel that I am unfair
and / or inaccurate in my analysis, we can have a PUBLIC conversation / debate
about it !</font></strong></div>
<div><strong><font size="4" face="Arial">You pick the ; date, time, and place, and I
will be there !</font></strong></div>
<div><strong><font size="4" face="Arial"></font></strong> </div>
<div><strong><font size="4" face="Arial">BTW. My heritage is Pagen Wolfetone Irish
and German Jewish.</font></strong></div>
<div><strong><font size="4" face="Arial">My Labor Activist Grandmother's maiden
name was " KRAFT ", which they changed from the original " Kraftstein
".</font></strong></div>
<div><strong><font size="4" face="Arial">My wife is a German National who has lived
in the U.S. since 1971. Her heritage is Polish Working class Jew (
Mothers side ) and German / Polish Gypsy ( father's side
).</font></strong></div>
<div><strong><font size="4" face="Arial">My wife's father was in the Polish Army
reserves and left Poland not until Aug. of 1946. My wife was born in
Stuttgart in 1954.</font></strong></div>
<div><strong><font size="4" face="Arial">I include this info so that everyone
knows ( who doesn't know me ) what my
MOTIVES are.</font></strong></div>
<div> </div>
<div><strong><font size="4" face="Arial">You want to debate, lets Tango
!</font></strong></div>
<div><strong><font size="4" face="Arial">In the meantime, quit trolling this list
and criticizing unless you are willing to confirm that you are anti-war and
anti-Zionist Racist ! </font></strong></div>
<div><strong><font size="4" face="Arial">Otherwise you have no reason to be on this
list !</font></strong></div>
<div> </div>
<div><strong><font size="4" face="Arial">Call me and talk to me if you wish, if you
feel that I am inaccurate in my analysis of your motives.</font></strong></div>
<div><strong><font size="4" face="Arial">I will admit if I am wrong
!</font></strong></div>
<div><strong><font size="4" face="Arial">Will You ?</font></strong></div>
<div> </div>
<div><strong><font size="4" face="Arial">David Johnson</font></strong></div>
<div><strong><font size="4" face="Arial">217-721-0583</font></strong></div>
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<a title="stephenf1113@yahoo.com" href="mailto:stephenf1113@yahoo.com">Stephen
Francis</a> </div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a title="david-cu@nukulele.org" href="mailto:david-cu@nukulele.org">David Gehrig</a> </div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Cc:</b> <a title="Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" href="mailto:Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net">Peace-discuss List</a> ; <a title="occupyCU@lists.chambana.net" href="mailto:occupyCU@lists.chambana.net">ocCUpy</a> </div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 25, 2013 1:57
PM</div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [OccupyCU] [Peace-discuss]
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<div><span>It can easily be proven that Zionist's murdered 3000 people on
9/11. Thirty percent of the world's population is convinced of this.
The tide is turning. I'm not antisemitic. I'm anti Zionist.
and also not a holocaust denier, but a holocaust revisionist. The world
also is waking up to the fact that the Zionists have used the holocaust to
advance their politically and financial ends like no others in the history of
the world. Their have been countless genocides and only the Zionists use
for gain.... Period.</span></div>
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David Gehrig <<a href="mailto:david-cu@nukulele.org">david-cu@nukulele.org</a>><br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</span></b> Stephen Francis
<<a href="mailto:stephenf1113@yahoo.com">stephenf1113@yahoo.com</a>> <br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</span></b> ocCUpy
<<a href="mailto:occupyCU@lists.chambana.net">occupyCU@lists.chambana.net</a>>; Peace-discuss List
<<a href="mailto:Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net">Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a>> <br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, July 25, 2013 11:41
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<div>I see your News Follow-Up site still says that "the Holocaust is the
greatest hoax ever perpetrated on mankind" and still links to videos from the
world's leading Holocaust deniers.</div>
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<div>Which is to say, you still have an overtly antisemitic
site. <br><br>@%<</div>
<div><br>On Jul 25, 2013, at 9:19 AM, Stephen Francis <<a href="mailto:stephenf1113@yahoo.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:stephenf1113@yahoo.com">stephenf1113@yahoo.com</a>>
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<div>Hello all. This post concerns the issue of whether spending a lot
of time posting things on Facebook or local discussion lists is a productive
thing to do in the world of social justice and activism.</div>
<div>Yesterday (July 24th)a staffer at the Facebook page 'Prepare to Take
America Back' made a link to a page of my website <a href="http://newsfollowup.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">NewsFollowUp.com</a> <a style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" href="http://www.newsfollowup.com/obama_body_count_obama_death_list_re-election_cia_gay.htm" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.newsfollowup.com/obama_body_count_obama_death_list_re-election_cia_gay.htm</a> concerning
a list that is known as the Obama Body Count...etc. The link garnered
121 shares and 174 likes in just a few hours (see <a style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" href="http://www.newsfollowup.com/facebook.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.newsfollowup.com/facebook.html</a><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">.) This is quite difficult to do as you all
know on Facebook. </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Prepare to Take
America Back is a right wing conservative page that I actually don't like,
but at this point any credible political attack from either side of the isle
on Obama is needed. As Jimmy Carter recently put it: "We know longer
have a functioning democracy". Anyway, </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Prepare to Take America Back Facebook has about
120,000 likes and 216,000 people 'talking about this'. This is
nationally substantial. It is very encouraging to me that my work is
seen by people in these numbers. </span></div>
<div><a href="http://newsfollowup.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">NewsFollowUp.com</a> <a href="http://www.newsfollowup.com/index.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.newsfollowup.com/index.html</a> enjoys about
50,000 to 100,000 page views per month and a<span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">bout 10% of NFU viewers spend almost 600 hours
per month on the site.</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">. But this
is nothing compared to the 20 million or so per month that Fox News has.
...but... from what I can tell, the average Facebook post gets
one or two likes/shares per post if any at all. I (Facebook name
Occupy Occupy) have about 4700 Facebook friends and 516 people who 'follow'
me and occasionally my posts will get shared a dozen times or so but usually
not and many times no shares or likes. Even someone like the
nationally known activist Cindy Sheehan only has a couple of dozen shares
and maybe 50-100 likes each on her posts. My point here is that ... is
it worth it to be spending hours and hours online posting remarks that only
a few people see? I think yes is the answer, but only in the context
of you being in a sea of protesters doing the same thing. Individually
it is pretty pathetic, but social media on a world wide basis has made a
huge difference... ie Egypt, Tunisia...etc.</span></div>
<div>As you can see from the front page of <a style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" href="http://www.newsfollowup.com/index.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.newsfollowup.com/index.html</a> my focus is on
9/11 Truth. I just believe that this is the most important issue in
modern times. It is the 'head of the snake'. There is mountains
of proof that the Cheneys/Bushes/Zionists of the world murdered 3000 people
on 9/11 which has ushered in the Patriot Act/NSA/TSA... etc. 2000
engineers and architects of the website <a style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" href="http://www.ae911truth.org/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.ae911truth.org/</a> Architects & Engineers
for 9/11 Truth professional prove that 3 WTC towers were demolished with
explosives. We need to put these people in jail. Working on
anything else is important but doesn't threaten them in any way.... they
just keep on doing what they do.</div>
<div>Anyway, I'm done. Thanks for listening.</div>
<div>Steve Francis</div>
<div><a href="http://newsfollowup.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">NewsFollowUp.com</a></div>
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