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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'>Sounds much like most people the world over. There are always a few discontents like us, who refuse to remain silent. I don't remember who said it, but "all progress is the result of discontented people", I like to think that statement to be one of my own motto's. <br> <BR><div><hr id="stopSpelling">From: ewj@pigsqq.org<br>To: karenaram@hotmail.com; carl@newsfromneptune.com; peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net<br>Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] "Obama Starting to Lose It Over Snowden"<br>Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2013 22:50:12 +0800<br><br><div>There are 4 kinds of people in China actually.<br> <br> 1) Some are crazy to go abroad to the USA and it's their dream to get a house<br> with a lawn in Suburbia and live like an American. I kid you not, they want that,<br> and some have enough money to go do just that and they<br> are doing it. I know a fellow who is working on buying a house in<br> Naperville. Those kind of Chinese could care less about the war<br> or anything else about American politics. <br> <br> 2) I met a girl on the airplane who told me that Barack Obama was her hero<br> and she had read his books and she was so excited to being able to sit next<br> to an American and talk about Obama. I dont think she was prepared for <br> my opinion.</div>
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<div>I heard of another woman who is the heiress to the Wahaha fortune. She said</div>
<div>that Hillary R. Clinton was her idol. Certainly a perspective very different indeed</div>
<div>i'd say...<br> <br> 3) Some are very wise to what the US has been doing domestically and around the world. The people who work for me are in that category. I am sure I did not hire them because of their libertarian views and I am also not sure that I influenced them all that much. They pretty much think that the Chinese government is corrupt and the US government is corrupt.<br> <br> They are perhaps more resigned than me to accept things the way they are,<br> what Shaw called "reasonable". I am pretty much the unreasonable type.<br> <br> 4) Some dont even think about the USA one way or the other.<br> <br> Thoreau said that the mass of men live lives of quiet desperation. I dont take the </div>
<div>numbing potion of resignation with silence.</div>
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<div>But you asked about the Chinese. </div>
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<div><br> > -------Original Message-------<br> > From: Karen Aram <karenaram@hotmail.com><br> > To: ewj@pigsqq.org <ewj@pigsqq.org>, C. G. Estabrook <carl@newsfromneptune.com>, Peace-discuss List <peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net><br> > Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] "Obama Starting to Lose It Over Snowden"<br> > Sent: Aug 05 '13 21:31<br> > <br> > Wayne<br> > <br> > What is your assessment of what most people in China think of the situation<br> > here in the US? My impression when there, was that they were less<br> > brainwashed by authority than the American people, generally speaking.<br> > <br> > Karen A.<br> > <br> > <br> > > From: ewj@pigsqq.org<br> > > To: carl@newsfromneptune.com; Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net<br> > > Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2013 00:23:06 +0800<br> > > Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] "Obama Starting to Lose It Over Snowden"<br> > ><br> > > From here it looks like the US Govt is trying to play the terrorism card<br> > > to attract attention to the "fact" that the people need to be<br> > > protected from terrorism...<br> > ><br> > > But from here it also looks like a ploy to fool the people.<br> > ><br> > ><br> > > > -------Original Message-------<br> > > > From: C. G. Estabrook <carl@newsfromneptune.com><br> > > > To: Peace-discuss List <Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net><br> > > > Subject: [Peace-discuss] "Obama Starting to Lose It Over Snowden"<br> > > > Sent: Aug 04 '13 21:55<br> > > ><br> > > > [There's a curiously personal mien to the administration's frantic<br> > attempt to suppress Snowden. It is prompted by Obama's fear that popular<br> > opposition to his global assassination program may grow? "The Audacity of<br> > Hope" shows his fear of the sort of antiwar movement that brought down<br> > Johnson and Nixon. --CGE]<br> > > ><br> > > > "...officialdom seems constitutionally unable to recognize that they<br> > can’t halt the process that is underway, short of, say, blowing up the<br> > Guardian or launching a coup (as in I am confident that both Greenwald and<br> > Snowden have gotten copies of critical materials into enough hands at the<br> > Guardian that the publication of documents would proceed even if something<br> > were to either of them). The surveillance state seem incapable of grasping<br> > that they might not win this fight, and if they don’t make an effort to<br> > get on this bus, they really could wind up under it.<br> > > ><br> > > > "Grayson’s hearing will take place in September. Obama’s delaying<br> > tactics, which will push the confab into fall prime time, might prove to be<br> > another own goal. Stay tuned."<br> > > ><br> > > > Full at<br> > <http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2013/08/obama-starting-to-lose-it-over-snowden.html#ViOHVsxMMj1xldXd.99><br> > > > _______________________________________________<br> > > > Peace-discuss mailing list<br> > > > Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net<br> > > > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss<br> > > ><br> > > ><br> > ><br> > > _______________________________________________<br> > > Peace-discuss mailing list<br> > > Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net<br> > > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss</div></div> </div></body>
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