<div>There are 4 kinds of people in China actually.<br /> <br /> 1) Some are crazy to go abroad to the USA and it's their dream to get a house<br /> with a lawn in Suburbia and live like an American. I kid you not, they want that,<br /> and some have enough money to go do just that and they<br /> are doing it. I know a fellow who is working on buying a house in<br /> Naperville. Those kind of Chinese could care less about the war<br /> or anything else about American politics. <br /> <br /> 2) I met a girl on the airplane who told me that Barack Obama was her hero<br /> and she had read his books and she was so excited to being able to sit next<br /> to an American and talk about Obama. I dont think she was prepared for <br /> my opinion.</div>
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<div>I heard of another woman who is the heiress to the Wahaha fortune. She said</div>
<div>that Hillary R. Clinton was her idol. Certainly a perspective very different indeed</div>
<div>i'd say...<br /> <br /> 3) Some are very wise to what the US has been doing domestically and around the world. The people who work for me are in that category. I am sure I did not hire them because of their libertarian views and I am also not sure that I influenced them all that much. They pretty much think that the Chinese government is corrupt and the US government is corrupt.<br /> <br /> They are perhaps more resigned than me to accept things the way they are,<br /> what Shaw called "reasonable". I am pretty much the unreasonable type.<br /> <br /> 4) Some dont even think about the USA one way or the other.<br /> <br /> Thoreau said that the mass of men live lives of quiet desperation. I dont take the </div>
<div>numbing potion of resignation with silence.</div>
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<div>But you asked about the Chinese. </div>
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<div><br /> > -------Original Message-------<br /> > From: Karen Aram <karenaram@hotmail.com><br /> > To: ewj@pigsqq.org <ewj@pigsqq.org>, C. G. Estabrook <carl@newsfromneptune.com>, Peace-discuss List <peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net><br /> > Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] "Obama Starting to Lose It Over Snowden"<br /> > Sent: Aug 05 '13 21:31<br /> > <br /> > Wayne<br /> > <br /> > What is your assessment of what most people in China think of the situation<br /> > here in the US? My impression when there, was that they were less<br /> > brainwashed by authority than the American people, generally speaking.<br /> > <br /> > Karen A.<br /> > <br /> > <br /> > > From: ewj@pigsqq.org<br /> > > To: carl@newsfromneptune.com; Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net<br /> > > Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2013 00:23:06 +0800<br /> > > Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] "Obama Starting to Lose It Over Snowden"<br /> > >
<br /> > > From here it looks like the US Govt is trying to play the terrorism card<br /> > > to attract attention to the "fact" that the people need to be<br /> > > protected from terrorism...<br /> > ><br /> > > But from here it also looks like a ploy to fool the people.<br /> > ><br /> > ><br /> > > > -------Original Message-------<br /> > > > From: C. G. Estabrook <carl@newsfromneptune.com><br /> > > > To: Peace-discuss List <Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net><br /> > > > Subject: [Peace-discuss] "Obama Starting to Lose It Over Snowden"<br /> > > > Sent: Aug 04 '13 21:55<br /> > > ><br /> > > > [There's a curiously personal mien to the administration's frantic<br /> > attempt to suppress Snowden. It is prompted by Obama's fear that popular<br /> > opposition to his global assassination program may grow? "The Audacity of<br /> > Hope" shows his fear of the
sort of antiwar movement that brought down<br /> > Johnson and Nixon. --CGE]<br /> > > ><br /> > > > "...officialdom seems constitutionally unable to recognize that they<br /> > can’t halt the process that is underway, short of, say, blowing up the<br /> > Guardian or launching a coup (as in I am confident that both Greenwald and<br /> > Snowden have gotten copies of critical materials into enough hands at the<br /> > Guardian that the publication of documents would proceed even if something<br /> > were to either of them). The surveillance state seem incapable of grasping<br /> > that they might not win this fight, and if they don’t make an effort to<br /> > get on this bus, they really could wind up under it.<br /> > > ><br /> > > > "Grayson’s hearing will take place in September. Obama’s delaying<br /> > tactics, which will push the confab into fall prime time, might prove to be<br /> > anot
her own goal. Stay tuned."<br /> > > ><br /> > > > Full at<br /> > <http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2013/08/obama-starting-to-lose-it-over-snowden.html#ViOHVsxMMj1xldXd.99><br /> > > > _______________________________________________<br /> > > > Peace-discuss mailing list<br /> > > > Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net<br /> > > > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss<br /> > > ><br /> > > ><br /> > ><br /> > > _______________________________________________<br /> > > Peace-discuss mailing list<br /> > > Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net<br /> > > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss</div>