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<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT face="Times New Roman">"And I find the tone and even
the language you two have employed here indistinguishable from what I find
there. I find that amazing."</FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><STRONG>You never answered my
question.....</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><B><FONT face=Arial>Would you care to be specific as to what that is
?</FONT></B></DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG>In response to your original statement.</STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG>David J.</STRONG></DIV></DIV></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, August 27, 2013 7:52
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neither called nor implied that you are a racist. Settle down.<BR>
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style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> Gregg Gordon <<A
href="mailto:ggregg79@yahoo.com">ggregg79@yahoo.com</A>> <BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Tuesday, August 27, 2013 7:01
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT face="Times New Roman">"And I find the tone and
even the language you two have employed here indistinguishable from what I
find there. I find that amazing."</FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial> <B>Oh really !</B></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><B><FONT face=Arial>Would you care to be specific as to what that is
?</FONT></B></DIV>
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<DIV><B><FONT face=Arial>And obviously you are impying that we are racists
because we state facts about Obama being a war criminal and a bought and
paid for corporate pawn.</FONT></B></DIV>
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<DIV><B><FONT face=Arial>And by the way, Cornell West is not the only African
American who thinks Obama is a traitor. I have African American
friends who enthusiasticly voted for him the first time who by
2012 were totaly disgusted by him.</FONT></B></DIV>
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<DIV><B><FONT face=Arial>Obviously your friends are extremely
uninformed.</FONT></B></DIV>
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<DIV><B><FONT face=Arial>David J.</FONT></B></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B>From:</B> <A
title=ggregg79@yahoo.com href="mailto:ggregg79@yahoo.com" rel=nofollow
target=_blank ymailto="mailto:ggregg79@yahoo.com">Gregg Gordon</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=davidjohnson1451@comcast.net
href="mailto:davidjohnson1451@comcast.net" rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:davidjohnson1451@comcast.net">David Johnson</A> ; <A
title=peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net
href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net">Peace-discuss</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, August 27, 2013 5:34
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace]
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<DIV><SPAN>Well, not exactly the reasoned responses that might lead to a
meeting of the minds that I was hoping for, but as Lincoln said, "We must
use the tools we have." At least it allows me to be
brief.</SPAN></DIV>
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I was not trying to imply that, and I did not imply that. My purpose
was not to discuss Obama's policies, foreign or domestic, or what
constitutional amendments our (in other contexts) racist Founding Fathers
left us he may or may not have violated. That's another
discussion.</SPAN></DIV><BR>
<DIV>But in your own ways, you illustrate my point perfectly. Because
I also read right-wing blogs, just to try to figure out how they think, and
take my word, they're some pretty vicious racists. And I find the tone
and even the language you two have employed here indistinguishable from what
I find there. I find that amazing. And to the extent those blogs
remind me of nothing so much as a lynch mob, I find it more than
amazing. I find it appalling. I know the enemy of my enemy is my
friend, but for an anti-racism group, that seems to be taking it too
far.</DIV>
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West notwithstanding, most of the black people I know like Obama and are
proud that he is president, and black turnout in the most recent election
tells me my friends are not outliers. It seems to me an anti-racism
effort would be wise to take that into account. That's the only thing
I wanted to discuss.</DIV>
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David Johnson <davidjohnson1451@comcast.net><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> Peace-discuss
<peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net>; Gregg Gordon
<ggregg79@yahoo.com> <BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Tuesday, August 27, 2013 3:13
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re:
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<DIV><FONT size=4 face=Arial>Gee Greg,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4 face=Arial>I hope your not trying to imply that becasue
Obama is African American that he should be given a blank check to commit
war crimes and impoverish Working Americans, especially African American
Workers ?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4 face=Arial>This is EXACTLEY what the 1% ruling class of
this country hoped for when they recruited and helped get Obama
elected.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4 face=Arial>Frankly, while we are on the subject, some of
the harshest critics of Obama have been Cornell West and Black Agenda
Report.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4 face=Arial>Not to mention that if you research Obama's
REAL history, you will see that he has NO common experience with the average
African American in the U.S.. or for that matter any Working
American.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4 face=Arial>David Johnson</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B>From:</B> <A
title=ggregg79@yahoo.com href="mailto:ggregg79@yahoo.com" rel=nofollow
target=_blank ymailto="mailto:ggregg79@yahoo.com">Gregg Gordon</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=brussel@illinois.edu
href="mailto:brussel@illinois.edu" rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:brussel@illinois.edu">Brussel, Morton K</A> ; <A
title=galliher@illinois.edu href="mailto:galliher@illinois.edu"
rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:galliher@illinois.edu">Estabrook, Carl G</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A
title=Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, August 27, 2013 12:38
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<DIV><SPAN>I realize I'm probably opening a can of worms with this, but
I've been wondering for a long time and all the March on Washington stuff
this weekend brought it back to mind.</SPAN></DIV>
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does an organization whose purpose is to fight racism so often speak with
such hostility toward our first black president? It's obviously
counter-intuitive, but I wonder if it also might not be
counterproductive.</SPAN></DIV>
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style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> "Brussel, Morton K" <<A
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ymailto="mailto:brussel@illinois.edu">brussel@illinois.edu</A>><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> "Estabrook, Carl G" <<A
href="mailto:galliher@illinois.edu" rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:galliher@illinois.edu">galliher@illinois.edu</A>>
<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</SPAN></B> "<A
href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</A>
List" <Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net>; "peace@anti-war.net"
<peace@anti-war.net> <BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Sunday, August 25, 2013 9:39
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [Peace]
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<DIV>I would add that this administration is now specifically threatening,
and waging covert activities against, Iran and Syria, two countries of no
threat to the U.S., but who are seen by this administration as a threat to
"our national interests", that of corporate America and its clients.
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<DIV>--kb<BR>
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<DIV>But in any case a useful statement. </DIV>
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<DIV>On Aug 25, 2013, at 10:00 AM, Carl G. Estabrook wrote:</DIV><BR
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<DIV class=yiv1648918592PlainText>[The flyer is attached. Comments are
welcome. The text is as follows.]<BR><BR><BR>The Anti-War Anti-Racism
Effort of Champaign-Urbana (AWARE)<BR><BR>AWARE was founded immediately
after the attacks of September 11, 2001, by residents of
Champaign-Urbana and members of the University of Illinois, who saw that
the U.S. government would use those crimes as an excuse to carry on and
expand its wars for the control of Middle East energy resources. For a
dozen years members and friends of AWARE have worked to end the killing
by informing their fellow citizens of the real nature of the "war on
terrorism," in opposition to the largest and most sophisticated
propaganda campaign in history, conducted by the Bush and Obama
administrations, and directed at the American people.<BR><BR>Today the
U.S. government is threatening, invading, and occupying countries in a
vast circle with a 2500-mile radius around the Persian Gulf, from north
Africa to the borders of India and China, a region sometimes called the
"Greater Middle East." (The U.S. military calls it "Central Command.")
This region has the world's greatest concentration of oil and natural
gas, and our government is spending hundreds of billions of dollars,
month after month, to control it. Control and not just access to these
energy resources is what our government demands. We in fact import
little of our own oil supplies from the Mideast - most of our imported
oil comes from the western hemisphere, notably Canada and Venezuela -
but control of world energy supplies gives the U.S. an unparalleled
advantage over our economic rivals in Europe and Asia.<BR><BR>President
Obama is killing men, women, and children around the world to "fight
terrorism," he claims, but as Noam Chomsky explains, “The Obama
administration is dedicated to increasing terrorism ... it’s doing it
all over the world. Obama ... is running the biggest terrorist operation
that exists ... The drone assassination campaigns ... are just part of
it; special forces operations and so on, all of these operations, they
are terror operations.” The U.S. Special Operations Command - in fact a
25,000-member private army run by the president - are American death
squads, who by their own account are operating in more than a hundred
countries around the world. No wonder we are hated in those
countries.<BR><BR>If you object to the Obama administration's conducting
illegal and unjustified war - and lying about the reasons for it - join
us. AWARE meets every Sunday evening 5-6pm at the White Horse Inn on in
Champaign, near the UIUC campus. We discuss the war and plan activities
like the following:<BR>~ Street demonstrations. For more than a decade
AWARE has conducted demonstrations and distributed information about the
war; they now occur on the first Saturday of every month, 2-4pm, at Main
and Neil Streets in downtown Champaign. All are welcome to join us.<BR>~
Information tables. At the Urbana Farmers' Market and other public
events, like the Sweet Corn Festival and the Taste of Champaign, AWARE
has tables with free printed information on the war and books, t-shirts,
buttons and bumper stickers at cost.<BR>~ Television programs. AWARE
produces a weekly hour of discussion on the war, "AWARE on the Air,"
seen Tuesdays at 10pm on Urbana Public Television <<A
href="http://www.urbanapublictelevision.org/" rel=nofollow
target=_blank>http://www.urbanapublictelevision.org/</A>>. The
program is recorded unrehearsed at noon on Tuesdays in the UPTV studios.
Members and friends of AWARE are invited to attend and participate in
the discussion.<BR>~ Articles in the local media. Letters to the Editor
in the Champaign-Urbana News-Gazette and even the Daily Illini are one
of the few ways to join a general political discussion locally.<BR>~
Demands to elected representatives. People in Champaign-Urbana are
represented in Congress by Senators Dick Durbin and Mark Kirk, and by
Representative Rodney Davis. All three support the administration's wars
and assassinations - and are in fact urging Obama to expand the killing.
You can register your opinion by calling their Washington DC offices,
which can be reached at 202-224-3121. (Say that you are calling from
Illinois' 13th Congressional District.)<BR>~ Internet presence. AWARE
conducts two email mailing lists, which you can join on the websites:
<<A href="https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace"
rel=nofollow
target=_blank>https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace</A>>
for announcements, and, for discussion of the war, <<A
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target=_blank>https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss</A>>.
You can join the discussion on our Facebook page: <<A
href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/305897426305/" rel=nofollow
target=_blank>https://www.facebook.com/groups/305897426305/</A>>.<BR><BR>AWARE
honors the whistleblowers - Manning, Assange, Snowden<BR>and others -
persecuted by the Obama
administration<BR><BR>###<BR><BR></DIV></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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