<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><br></div><div><span>Well, not exactly the reasoned responses that might lead to a meeting of the minds that I was hoping for, but as Lincoln said, "We must use the tools we have." At least it allows me to be brief.</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><br><span></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>No,
I was not trying to imply that, and I did not imply that. My purpose
was not to discuss Obama's policies, foreign or domestic, or what
constitutional amendments our (in other contexts) racist Founding
Fathers left us he may or may not have violated. That's another
discussion.</span></div><br><div>But in your own ways, you illustrate my point perfectly. Because I also read right-wing blogs, just to try to figure out how they think, and take my word, they're some pretty vicious racists. And I find the tone and even the language you two have employed here indistinguishable from what I find there. I find that amazing. And to the extent those blogs remind me of nothing so much as a lynch mob, I find it more than amazing. I find it appalling. I know the enemy of my enemy is my friend, but for an anti-racism group, that seems to be taking it too far.</div><div><br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;">Cornell West notwithstanding, most of the black people I know like Obama and are proud that he is president, and black turnout in the most recent election tells me my
friends are not outliers. It seems to me an anti-racism effort would be wise to take that into account. That's the only thing I wanted to discuss.</div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><br></div><div><br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><br></div> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> David Johnson
<davidjohnson1451@comcast.net><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Peace-discuss <peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net>; Gregg Gordon <ggregg79@yahoo.com> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, August 27, 2013 3:13 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] AWARE flyer for Quad Day<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container"><br><div id="yiv4414249195">
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<div><font face="Arial" size="4">Gee Greg,</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="4">I hope your not trying to imply that becasue Obama
is African American that he should be given a blank check to commit war crimes
and impoverish Working Americans, especially African American Workers
?</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="4">This is EXACTLEY what the 1% ruling class of this
country hoped for when they recruited and helped get Obama elected.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="4">Frankly, while we are on the subject, some of the
harshest critics of Obama have been Cornell West and Black Agenda
Report.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="4">Not to mention that if you research Obama's REAL
history, you will see that he has NO common experience with the average African
American in the U.S.. or for that matter any Working American.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="4">David Johnson</font></div>
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<div style="FONT:10pt arial;"><b>To:</b> <a rel="nofollow" title="brussel@illinois.edu" ymailto="mailto:brussel@illinois.edu" target="_blank" href="mailto:brussel@illinois.edu">Brussel, Morton K</a> ; <a rel="nofollow" title="galliher@illinois.edu" ymailto="mailto:galliher@illinois.edu" target="_blank" href="mailto:galliher@illinois.edu">Estabrook,
Carl G</a> </div>
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<div style="FONT:10pt arial;"><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 27, 2013 12:38
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<div><span>I realize I'm probably opening a can of worms with this, but I've
been wondering for a long time and all the March on Washington stuff this
weekend brought it back to mind.</span></div>
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<div style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;FONT-STYLE:normal;FONT-FAMILY:times new roman, new york, times, serif;COLOR:rgb(0,0,0);FONT-SIZE:16px;"><span>Why
does an organization whose purpose is to fight racism so often speak with such
hostility toward our first black president? It's obviously
counter-intuitive, but I wonder if it also might not be
counterproductive.</span></div>
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<div style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;FONT-STYLE:normal;FONT-FAMILY:times new roman, new york, times, serif;COLOR:rgb(0,0,0);FONT-SIZE:16px;"><span>Gregg
Gordon<br></span></div>
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"Brussel, Morton K" <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:brussel@illinois.edu" target="_blank" href="mailto:brussel@illinois.edu">brussel@illinois.edu</a>><br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold;">To:</span></b> "Estabrook, Carl G" <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:galliher@illinois.edu" target="_blank" href="mailto:galliher@illinois.edu">galliher@illinois.edu</a>> <br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold;">Cc:</span></b> "<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a>
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<div>I would add that this administration is now specifically threatening, and
waging covert activities against, Iran and Syria, two countries of no threat
to the U.S., but who are seen by this administration as a threat to "our
national interests", that of corporate America and its clients.
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<div>--kb<br>
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<div>But in any case a useful statement. </div>
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<div>On Aug 25, 2013, at 10:00 AM, Carl G. Estabrook wrote:</div><br class="yiv4414249195Apple-interchange-newline">
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<div class="yiv4414249195PlainText">[The flyer is attached. Comments are
welcome. The text is as follows.]<br><br><br>The Anti-War Anti-Racism Effort
of Champaign-Urbana (AWARE)<br><br>AWARE was founded immediately after the
attacks of September 11, 2001, by residents of Champaign-Urbana and members
of the University of Illinois, who saw that the U.S. government would use
those crimes as an excuse to carry on and expand its wars for the control of
Middle East energy resources. For a dozen years members and friends of AWARE
have worked to end the killing by informing their fellow citizens of the
real nature of the "war on terrorism," in opposition to the largest and most
sophisticated propaganda campaign in history, conducted by the Bush and
Obama administrations, and directed at the American people.<br><br>Today the
U.S. government is threatening, invading, and occupying countries in a vast
circle with a 2500-mile radius around the Persian Gulf, from north Africa to
the borders of India and China, a region sometimes called the "Greater
Middle East." (The U.S. military calls it "Central Command.") This region
has the world's greatest concentration of oil and natural gas, and our
government is spending hundreds of billions of dollars, month after month,
to control it. Control and not just access to these energy resources is what
our government demands. We in fact import little of our own oil supplies
from the Mideast - most of our imported oil comes from the western
hemisphere, notably Canada and Venezuela - but control of world energy
supplies gives the U.S. an unparalleled advantage over our economic rivals
in Europe and Asia.<br><br>President Obama is killing men, women, and
children around the world to "fight terrorism," he claims, but as Noam
Chomsky explains, “The Obama administration is dedicated to increasing
terrorism ... it’s doing it all over the world. Obama ... is running the
biggest terrorist operation that exists ... The drone assassination
campaigns ... are just part of it; special forces operations and so on, all
of these operations, they are terror operations.” The U.S. Special
Operations Command - in fact a 25,000-member private army run by the
president - are American death squads, who by their own account are
operating in more than a hundred countries around the world. No wonder we
are hated in those countries.<br><br>If you object to the Obama
administration's conducting illegal and unjustified war - and lying about
the reasons for it - join us. AWARE meets every Sunday evening 5-6pm at the
White Horse Inn on in Champaign, near the UIUC campus. We discuss the war
and plan activities like the following:<br>~ Street demonstrations. For more
than a decade AWARE has conducted demonstrations and distributed information
about the war; they now occur on the first Saturday of every month, 2-4pm,
at Main and Neil Streets in downtown Champaign. All are welcome to join
us.<br>~ Information tables. At the Urbana Farmers' Market and other public
events, like the Sweet Corn Festival and the Taste of Champaign, AWARE has
tables with free printed information on the war and books, t-shirts, buttons
and bumper stickers at cost.<br>~ Television programs. AWARE produces a
weekly hour of discussion on the war, "AWARE on the Air," seen Tuesdays at
10pm on Urbana Public Television <<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.urbanapublictelevision.org/">http://www.urbanapublictelevision.org/</a>>. The program is
recorded unrehearsed at noon on Tuesdays in the UPTV studios. Members and
friends of AWARE are invited to attend and participate in the
discussion.<br>~ Articles in the local media. Letters to the Editor in the
Champaign-Urbana News-Gazette and even the Daily Illini are one of the few
ways to join a general political discussion locally.<br>~ Demands to elected
representatives. People in Champaign-Urbana are represented in Congress by
Senators Dick Durbin and Mark Kirk, and by Representative Rodney Davis. All
three support the administration's wars and assassinations - and are in fact
urging Obama to expand the killing. You can register your opinion by calling
their Washington DC offices, which can be reached at 202-224-3121. (Say that
you are calling from Illinois' 13th Congressional District.)<br>~ Internet
presence. AWARE conducts two email mailing lists, which you can join on the
websites: <<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace">https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace</a>> for
announcements, and, for discussion of the war, <<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss">https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss</a>>.
You can join the discussion on our Facebook page: <<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/305897426305/">https://www.facebook.com/groups/305897426305/</a>>.<br><br>AWARE
honors the whistleblowers - Manning, Assange, Snowden<br>and others -
persecuted by the Obama
administration<br><br>###<br><br></div></span></font></div>
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