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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial>Well Greg,</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial>I am truely sorry that you feel that
way.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial>Discussion / debate are at times necessary
for understanding.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial>No one threatened you or cursed at you or
disrespected you, so I am not certain what you mean when you stated that " Its'
impossible to have a peaceful discussion about peace .."</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial>Some of us stated our views and wanted
clarification of some of your statements, so I really do not understand why
you feel the way you do.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial>What organizations are you involved with locally
?</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial>Respectfully</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial>David Johnson</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
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<A title=ggregg79@yahoo.com href="mailto:ggregg79@yahoo.com">Gregg Gordon</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=galliher@illinois.edu
href="mailto:galliher@illinois.edu">Carl G. Estabrook</A> ; <A
title=brussel@illinois.edu href="mailto:brussel@illinois.edu">Brussel, Morton
K</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A
title=peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net
href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net">Peace-discuss</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, August 28, 2013 9:54
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace]
AWARE flyer for Quad Day</DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fff; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; COLOR: #000; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Well,
I see it's impossible to have a peaceful discussion about peace, even on
Peace-discuss. That's a shame. It's not just the unnecessary and
uncalled for hostility, unpleasant but manageable. But you won't even
argue with me. You put words in my mouth that I never said, and then you
argue with that. That's pointless.<BR><BR>But you've made your points,
and you've made mine as well. When you might have convinced me, instead
you alienated me. I don't know in what school of activism you learned that
tactic, but I question its effectiveness. All you succeeded in doing is
in making me marvel at the lack of mental discipline required to obtain a
Ph.D.<BR><BR>As to the other questions hanging out there, there are any number
of websites you can go to -- freerepublic.com, redstate.com. I find the
stuff too sickening to quote myself, but you'll see that you fit right
in. And yes, I do belong to some groups here. I would probably
belong to yours, if only you weren't in it.<BR>
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<FONT size=2 face=Arial><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B>
Carl G. Estabrook <galliher@illinois.edu><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> "Brussel, Morton K"
<brussel@illinois.edu> <BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</SPAN></B> Gregg Gordon
<ggregg79@yahoo.com>; Peace-discuss
<peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net> <BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Tuesday, August 27, 2013 9:47
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re:
[Peace-discuss] [Peace] AWARE flyer for Quad Day<BR></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>I've thought for a while that the fall-back position of American
liberalism, as it surrendered to the neoliberal onslaught, was a sort of
hysterical anti-racism.<BR>
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<DIV>Walter Benn Michaels argued for something like that in his "The Trouble
with Diversity: How We Learned to Love Identity and Ignore Inequality"
(2005).</DIV>
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<DIV>He refined the argument in subsequent articles. "...Well, I wrote the
book four or five years ago and I know more about it now than I did then. So
yeah, that’s true, the book is in a certain sense a response to what seemed to
me very visible on the surface, but I had much less of a sense of how
that situation came about. One of the things that’s been useful—I know it’s
been useful for me, but I think it’s actually be useful in general for at
least some people on the Left in thinking about these issues—has been the
popularization of the concept of neoliberalism, which has given us a better
ability to periodize the history of capitalism and especially of events
since World War II." - [See more at: <<A
href="http://jacobinmag.com/2011/01/let-them-eat-diversity/#sthash.ArGHlaip.dpuf"
rel=nofollow
target=_blank>http://jacobinmag.com/2011/01/let-them-eat-diversity/#sthash.ArGHlaip.dpuf</A>>]</DIV>
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<DIV>Mr. Gordon is not untypical. --CGE</DIV>
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<DIV>On Aug 27, 2013, at 9:36 PM, "Brussel, Morton K" <<A
href="mailto:brussel@illinois.edu" rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:brussel@illinois.edu">brussel@illinois.edu</A>>
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<DIV style="WORD-WRAP: break-word">From someone who is on this anti-war,
anti-imperialist list, this argument is sick!! I.e., that one should not
slam the current despicable president because he is black (somewhat).
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<DIV>--mkb<BR>
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<DIV>On Aug 27, 2013, at 5:34 PM, Gregg Gordon wrote:</DIV><BR
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<DIV><SPAN>Well, not exactly the reasoned responses that might lead to a
meeting of the minds that I was hoping for, but as Lincoln said, "We must
use the tools we have." At least it allows me to be
brief.</SPAN></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 16px"><SPAN>No,
I was not trying to imply that, and I did not imply that. My purpose
was not to discuss Obama's policies, foreign or domestic, or what
constitutional amendments our (in other contexts) racist Founding Fathers
left us he may or may not have violated. That's another
discussion.</SPAN></DIV><BR>
<DIV>But in your own ways, you illustrate my point perfectly.
Because I also read right-wing blogs, just to try to figure out how they
think, and take my word, they're some pretty vicious racists. And I
find the tone and even the language you two have employed here
indistinguishable from what I find there. I find that amazing.
And to the extent those blogs remind me of nothing so much as a lynch mob,
I find it more than amazing. I find it appalling. I know the
enemy of my enemy is my friend, but for an anti-racism group, that seems
to be taking it too far.</DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 16px">Cornell
West notwithstanding, most of the black people I know like Obama and are
proud that he is president, and black turnout in the most recent election
tells me my friends are not outliers. It seems to me an anti-racism
effort would be wise to take that into account. That's the only
thing I wanted to discuss.</DIV>
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style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> David Johnson <<A
href="mailto:davidjohnson1451@comcast.net" rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:davidjohnson1451@comcast.net">davidjohnson1451@comcast.net</A>><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> Peace-discuss <<A
href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</A>>;
Gregg Gordon <<A href="mailto:ggregg79@yahoo.com" rel=nofollow
target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:ggregg79@yahoo.com">ggregg79@yahoo.com</A>>
<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Tuesday, August
27, 2013 3:13 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B>
Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] AWARE flyer for Quad Day<BR></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4 face=Arial>Gee Greg,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4 face=Arial>I hope your not trying to imply that becasue
Obama is African American that he should be given a blank check to commit
war crimes and impoverish Working Americans, especially African American
Workers ?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4 face=Arial>This is EXACTLEY what the 1% ruling class of
this country hoped for when they recruited and helped get Obama
elected.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4 face=Arial>Frankly, while we are on the subject, some of
the harshest critics of Obama have been Cornell West and Black Agenda
Report.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4 face=Arial>Not to mention that if you research Obama's
REAL history, you will see that he has NO common experience with the
average African American in the U.S.. or for that matter any Working
American.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4 face=Arial>David Johnson</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B>From:</B> <A
title=ggregg79@yahoo.com href="mailto:ggregg79@yahoo.com" rel=nofollow
target=_blank ymailto="mailto:ggregg79@yahoo.com">Gregg Gordon</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=brussel@illinois.edu
href="mailto:brussel@illinois.edu" rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:brussel@illinois.edu">Brussel, Morton K</A> ; <A
title=galliher@illinois.edu href="mailto:galliher@illinois.edu"
rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:galliher@illinois.edu">Estabrook, Carl G</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A
title=Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net
href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net%20List" rel=nofollow
target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net%20List">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net
List</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, August 27, 2013
12:38 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Peace-discuss]
[Peace] AWARE flyer for Quad Day</DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN>I realize I'm probably opening a can of worms with this, but
I've been wondering for a long time and all the March on Washington
stuff this weekend brought it back to mind.</SPAN></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 16px"><SPAN>Why
does an organization whose purpose is to fight racism so often speak
with such hostility toward our first black president? It's
obviously counter-intuitive, but I wonder if it also might not be
counterproductive.</SPAN></DIV>
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style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> "Brussel, Morton K" <<A
href="mailto:brussel@illinois.edu" rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:brussel@illinois.edu">brussel@illinois.edu</A>><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> "Estabrook, Carl G" <<A
href="mailto:galliher@illinois.edu" rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:galliher@illinois.edu">galliher@illinois.edu</A>>
<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</SPAN></B> "<A
href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" rel=nofollow
target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</A>
List" <<A href="mailto:Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" rel=nofollow
target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net">Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</A>>;
"<A href="mailto:peace@anti-war.net" rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:peace@anti-war.net">peace@anti-war.net</A>" <<A
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ymailto="mailto:peace@anti-war.net">peace@anti-war.net</A>>
<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Sunday, August
25, 2013 9:39 PM<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [Peace]
[Peace-discuss] AWARE flyer for Quad Day<BR></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>I would add that this administration is now specifically
threatening, and waging covert activities against, Iran and Syria, two
countries of no threat to the U.S., but who are seen by this
administration as a threat to "our national interests", that of
corporate America and its clients.
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<DIV>--kb<BR>
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<DIV>But in any case a useful statement. </DIV>
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<DIV>On Aug 25, 2013, at 10:00 AM, Carl G. Estabrook wrote:</DIV><BR
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<DIV class=yiv4574566695PlainText>[The flyer is attached. Comments are
welcome. The text is as follows.]<BR><BR><BR>The Anti-War Anti-Racism
Effort of Champaign-Urbana (AWARE)<BR><BR>AWARE was founded
immediately after the attacks of September 11, 2001, by residents of
Champaign-Urbana and members of the University of Illinois, who saw
that the U.S. government would use those crimes as an excuse to carry
on and expand its wars for the control of Middle East energy
resources. For a dozen years members and friends of AWARE have worked
to end the killing by informing their fellow citizens of the real
nature of the "war on terrorism," in opposition to the largest and
most sophisticated propaganda campaign in history, conducted by the
Bush and Obama administrations, and directed at the American
people.<BR><BR>Today the U.S. government is threatening, invading, and
occupying countries in a vast circle with a 2500-mile radius around
the Persian Gulf, from north Africa to the borders of India and China,
a region sometimes called the "Greater Middle East." (The U.S.
military calls it "Central Command.") This region has the world's
greatest concentration of oil and natural gas, and our government is
spending hundreds of billions of dollars, month after month, to
control it. Control and not just access to these energy resources is
what our government demands. We in fact import little of our own oil
supplies from the Mideast - most of our imported oil comes from the
western hemisphere, notably Canada and Venezuela - but control of
world energy supplies gives the U.S. an unparalleled advantage over
our economic rivals in Europe and Asia.<BR><BR>President Obama is
killing men, women, and children around the world to "fight
terrorism," he claims, but as Noam Chomsky explains, “The Obama
administration is dedicated to increasing terrorism ... it’s doing it
all over the world. Obama ... is running the biggest terrorist
operation that exists ... The drone assassination campaigns ... are
just part of it; special forces operations and so on, all of these
operations, they are terror operations.” The U.S. Special Operations
Command - in fact a 25,000-member private army run by the president -
are American death squads, who by their own account are operating in
more than a hundred countries around the world. No wonder we are hated
in those countries.<BR><BR>If you object to the Obama administration's
conducting illegal and unjustified war - and lying about the reasons
for it - join us. AWARE meets every Sunday evening 5-6pm at the White
Horse Inn on in Champaign, near the UIUC campus. We discuss the war
and plan activities like the following:<BR>~ Street demonstrations.
For more than a decade AWARE has conducted demonstrations and
distributed information about the war; they now occur on the first
Saturday of every month, 2-4pm, at Main and Neil Streets in downtown
Champaign. All are welcome to join us.<BR>~ Information tables. At the
Urbana Farmers' Market and other public events, like the Sweet Corn
Festival and the Taste of Champaign, AWARE has tables with free
printed information on the war and books, t-shirts, buttons and bumper
stickers at cost.<BR>~ Television programs. AWARE produces a weekly
hour of discussion on the war, "AWARE on the Air," seen Tuesdays at
10pm on Urbana Public Television <<A
href="http://www.urbanapublictelevision.org/" rel=nofollow
target=_blank>http://www.urbanapublictelevision.org/</A>>. The
program is recorded unrehearsed at noon on Tuesdays in the UPTV
studios. Members and friends of AWARE are invited to attend and
participate in the discussion.<BR>~ Articles in the local media.
Letters to the Editor in the Champaign-Urbana News-Gazette and even
the Daily Illini are one of the few ways to join a general political
discussion locally.<BR>~ Demands to elected representatives. People in
Champaign-Urbana are represented in Congress by Senators Dick Durbin
and Mark Kirk, and by Representative Rodney Davis. All three support
the administration's wars and assassinations - and are in fact urging
Obama to expand the killing. You can register your opinion by calling
their Washington DC offices, which can be reached at 202-224-3121.
(Say that you are calling from Illinois' 13th Congressional
District.)<BR>~ Internet presence. AWARE conducts two email mailing
lists, which you can join on the websites: <<A
href="https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace" rel=nofollow
target=_blank>https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace</A>>
for announcements, and, for discussion of the war, <<A
href="https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss"
rel=nofollow
target=_blank>https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss</A>>.
You can join the discussion on our Facebook page: <<A
href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/305897426305/" rel=nofollow
target=_blank>https://www.facebook.com/groups/305897426305/</A>>.<BR><BR>AWARE
honors the whistleblowers - Manning, Assange, Snowden<BR>and others -
persecuted by the Obama
administration<BR><BR>###<BR><BR></DIV></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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