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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'>Wayne<BR> <BR>Absolutely, I agree with you on all counts. <BR> <br> <BR><div><hr id="stopSpelling">Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2013 22:02:00 +0800<br>From: ewj@pigsqq.org<br>To: karenaram@hotmail.com<br>CC: brussel@illinois.edu; carl@newsfromneptune.com; peace-discuss@anti-war.net<br>Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Obama's goal in Syria & Greater Middle East<br><br>
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My view of the situation is that the attitude of the US government is
at the best opportunistic<br>
in the Syrian crisis, but I really would suspect that the US is quite
complicit in precipitating the crisis<br>
¨ªn various ways including direct manipulation.<br>
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Actually I know nothing about Assad at all.<br>
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One could hardly say that Obama is not a dictator in his actions,<br>
although he is also a puppet.<br>
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On 09/01/13 20:45, Karen Aram wrote:
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<div dir="ltr">Morton<br>
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My analysis of the statement/article is not that it necessarily
supports US military action but it would support other forms of
intervention. <br>
There are many here and elsewhere who support the <strong>uprising</strong>
against the Assad Government, he is a Dictator worthy of being
overthrown. Because many of us are opposed to US military intervention
does not mean we support the Assad regime. Therefore there are many
statements which may give the impression that a strike or action
by western powers might be welcomed but that doesn't mean military
action. <br>
It should be <strong>diplomatic</strong> action. See the below request
to Pres. Obama, from Anna Galland of Moveon.org an organization
supporting democrats. <br>
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"We urge you to show real leadership in protecting the people of Syria
with a more creative, effective, and prudent approach than military
action. <br>
<ul>
<li> Galvanize world leaders to demand a multilateral cease-fire </li>
<li> Arrange to evacuate people who choose to flee harm's way </li>
<li> Care for the evacuees </li>
<li> Assist with re-settlement once the civil war has ended <br>
</li>
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<hr id="ecxstopSpelling">From: <a class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:brussel@illinois.edu">brussel@illinois.edu</a><br>
To: <a class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:carl@newsfromneptune.com">carl@newsfromneptune.com</a><br>
CC: <a class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:karenaram@hotmail.com">karenaram@hotmail.com</a>; <a class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:peace-discuss@anti-war.net">peace-discuss@anti-war.net</a><br>
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Obama's goal in Syria & Greater Middle
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Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2013 03:42:12 +0000<br>
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Did you overlook this, Carl? Here's a quote from that article:
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<div><span style="font: 14px/18px Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; text-align: left; color: rgb(85, 85, 85); text-transform: none; text-indent: 0px; letter-spacing: normal; word-spacing: 0px; white-space: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; background-color: rgb(249, 247, 231);">"The
latest episode is merely one more horrific event in a conflict that has
increasingly taken on </span><a style="font: 14px/18px Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; text-align: left; color: rgb(80, 146, 149); text-transform: none; text-indent: 0px; letter-spacing: normal; text-decoration: none; word-spacing: 0px; white-space: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; background-color: rgb(249, 247, 231);" href="http://www.genocidewatch.org/images/Syria_13_04_26_Alert_Update_Revised.pdf" target="_blank">genocidal</a><span style="font: 14px/18px Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; text-align: left; color: rgb(85, 85, 85); text-transform: none; text-indent: 0px; letter-spacing: normal; word-spacing: 0px; white-space: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; background-color: rgb(249, 247, 231);"> characteristics.
The case for action at first glance is indisputable. The UN now
confirms a death toll over 100,000 people, the vast majority of whom
have been killed by Assad¡¯s troops. An estimated 4.5 million people
have been displaced from their homes. International observers have </span><a style="font: 14px/18px Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; text-align: left; color: rgb(80, 146, 149); text-transform: none; text-indent: 0px; letter-spacing: normal; text-decoration: none; word-spacing: 0px; white-space: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; background-color: rgb(249, 247, 231);" href="http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/15/syria-crisis-un-rights-idUSL6E8JFA3220120815" target="_blank">overwhelmingly confirmed</a><span style="font: 14px/18px Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; text-align: left; color: rgb(85, 85, 85); text-transform: none; text-indent: 0px; letter-spacing: normal; word-spacing: 0px; white-space: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; background-color: rgb(249, 247, 231);"> Assad¡¯s
complicity in the preponderance of war crimes and crimes against
humanity against the Syrian people. The illegitimacy of his regime, and
the legitimacy of the uprising, is clear."</span></div>
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<div>On Aug 31, 2013, at 8:30 PM, C. G. Estabrook wrote:</div>
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<div>I don't think the article "takes for granted Obama's
assertions with respect to responsibility for the gas attack," viz.</div>
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"Experts are unanimous that the shocking footage of civilians,
including children, suffering the effects of some sort of chemical
attack, is real ¨C but remain divided on whether it
involved military-grade chemical weapons associated with Assad¡¯s
arsenal, or were a more amateur concoction potentially linked to the
rebels."<br>
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<div>The point of the article is the nature and goal of US policy
in the region. It's not a matter of "keeping America safe from
terrorism."</div>
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<div>The clearer that goal is, the better the chance of convincing
Americans to oppose U.S. intervention in Syria. --CGE</div>
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<div>On Aug 31, 2013, at 7:07 PM, "Brussel, Morton K" <<a href="mailto:brussel@illinois.edu">brussel@illinois.edu</a>>
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<div>It is unclear to me whether this article is for or
against incipient U.S. intervention in Syria. Moreover, it contains
several unverified assertions and takes for granted Obama's assertions
with respect to responsibility for the gas attack, if that is what it
was. Which should render one suspicious.
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<div>--mkb</div>
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<div>On Aug 31, 2013, at 12:27 PM, Karen Aram wrote:</div>
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<div dir="ltr">I just read the same article on Alternet,
excellent. It clearly spells out what the potential bombing of Syria is
really about and for how long they have planned it.<br>
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