<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
<HTML><HEAD>
<META content="text/html; charset=utf-8" http-equiv=Content-Type>
<META name=GENERATOR content="MSHTML 8.00.6001.23515"></HEAD>
<BODY style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fff" bgColor=#ffffff>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----
<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
title=dan.armstronguk@yahoo.co.uk
href="mailto:dan.armstronguk@yahoo.co.uk">dan.armstronguk@yahoo.co.uk</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=socialistdiscussion@yahoogroups.com
href="mailto:socialistdiscussion@yahoogroups.com">socialistdiscussion@yahoogroups.com</A>
</DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, September 05, 2013 7:07 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> [socialistdiscussion] RE: Attack on Syria: The hypocrisy of
Obama, Kerry and co.</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><SPAN style="DISPLAY: none"> </SPAN> <!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlStartT|**|-~-->
<DIV style="POSITION: relative" id=ygrp-mlmsg>
<DIV style="Z-INDEX: 1" id=ygrp-msg><!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlEndT|**|-~-->
<DIV id=ygrp-text>
<P>
<P> It has been said that Obama would probably prefer to avoid an armed
intervention. The state machine of course consists of several departments
and layers with often conflicting interests. It would seem unlikely that the US
armed forces have any interest in more target practice but perhaps the prospect
of a new mini-Ottoman empire led by Turkey appeals to the US establishment as
regional strong-arm men to keep the smaller states in order. Particularly
because the knot of satellite states around Saudi Arabia is being unravelled and
less stable. Turkey has an appetite for capitalist investment and with around 80
million, strong industry and well-equipped armed forces could easily arbitrate
between the sunni and the shiite factions. At one time, the western imperialists
favoured an Iraqi victory to prevent Iran becoming a large regional power. The
Turkish variant which has only recently opened up may prove more feasible. And
it is Turkey which is pushing for a military strike and possibly even an early
ground invasion by their own troops.</P>
<P><BR></P>
<P>The alternative to having a regional power could only remain an attempt at a
balance of proxy power between the superpowers, with Russia embracing the mainly
shiite influence in Syria, Iran and Lebanon and the US propping up Saudi, Qatar,
Trucial states. <BR></P>
<P>And so dangerous events begin to take shape. Following the US navy's doubling
of its presence in the eastern Med, Russia has now moved warships into the same
area while at the same time characterising any cruise missile strikes by the US
as "aggression" and an illegal act under international law. Funny how the US
slogans of yesterday have returned to bite them. In this constellation, if
Obama does start to send cruise missiles onto Damascus. will Russia demand
cessation and point their naval guns at the US warships? A careless phrase or
action could send a spark into the powder kegs kept below decks. If we add to
the mix a blow dealt by Assad to the US ally of Israel, then a regional war
would move from possible to probable.</P>
<P><BR></P>
<P><BR></P>
<P
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); FONT-SIZE: 13px"><BR></P>
<P><BR></P>
<P><BR></P>
<P><BR></P>
<P><BR></P>
<DIV class=ygroups-quoted><BR><BR>--- In socialistdiscussion@yahoogroups.com,
<AACTIVIST@...> wrote:<BR><BR>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV><A href="https://www.facebook.com/FactsForWorkingPeople#" rel=nofollow
target=_blank><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 16px"></SPAN></A></DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<H3><A
href="http://weknowwhatsup.blogspot.com/2013/08/bradley-manning-and-mai-lai-massacre.html"
rel=nofollow target=_blank></A></H3>
<DIV>
<DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>The billionaire John Kerry who also functions as the US Secretary of State
is ready to teach the Syrian dictator Assad a lesson. He called Assad a
<I>"thug and a murderer",</I> and says the US canât let a dictator get away
with such serious crimes; unless itâs one of the USâs dictators of
course. <I>"History will judge us all extraordinarily harshly if we turn a
blind eye to a dictator's wanton use of weapons of mass destruction," </I>Kerry
added. <A
href="http://weknowwhatsup.blogspot.com/2013/08/attack-on-syria-hypocrisy-of-obama.html"
rel=nofollow
target=_blank>Continued</A></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN style="BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate"><SPAN
style="TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; FONT-VARIANT: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); FONT-WEIGHT: normal; WORD-SPACING: 0px">
<DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>"Like" FFWP on FB <A
href="http://www.facebook.com/FactsForWorkingPeople" rel=nofollow
target=_blank>http://www.facebook.com/FactsForWorkingPeople</A><BR>FFWP
blog <A href="http://weknowwhatsup.blogspot.com" rel=nofollow
target=_blank>http://weknowwhatsup.blogspot.com</A><BR> <BR><BR><BR><BR><BR></DIV></SPAN></SPAN></DIV><BR></DIV></DIV>
<P></P></DIV><!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlStart|**|-~-->
<DIV style="HEIGHT: 0px; COLOR: #fff">__._,_.___</DIV>
<TABLE style="MARGIN-TOP: 20px; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 10px" cellSpacing=4>
<TBODY>
<TR>
<TD
style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #eaeaea 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #eaeaea 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 5px; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #f2f2f2; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 5px; FONT-FAMILY: arial; COLOR: #fff; FONT-SIZE: 12px; BORDER-TOP: #eaeaea 1px solid; FONT-WEIGHT: bold; BORDER-RIGHT: #eaeaea 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 7px"><A
style="COLOR: #2d50fd; TEXT-DECORATION: none"
href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/socialistdiscussion/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJyaWZuamoyBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE4MDM1OTUzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2MDM3NQRtc2dJZAMyNDE5OQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzNzgzODI4MjI-?act=reply&messageNum=24199">Reply
via web post</A> </TD>
<TD
style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #eaeaea 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #eaeaea 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 5px; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #f2f2f2; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 5px; FONT-FAMILY: arial; COLOR: #fff; FONT-SIZE: 12px; BORDER-TOP: #eaeaea 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #eaeaea 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 7px"><A
style="COLOR: #2d50fd; TEXT-DECORATION: none"
href="mailto:dan.armstronguk@yahoo.co.uk?subject=RE%3A%20Attack%20on%20Syria%3A%20The%20hypocrisy%20of%20Obama%2C%20Kerry%20and%20co%2E">Reply
to sender </A></TD>
<TD
style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #eaeaea 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #eaeaea 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 5px; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #f2f2f2; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 5px; FONT-FAMILY: arial; COLOR: #fff; FONT-SIZE: 12px; BORDER-TOP: #eaeaea 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #eaeaea 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 7px"><A
style="COLOR: #2d50fd; TEXT-DECORATION: none"
href="mailto:socialistdiscussion@yahoogroups.com?subject=RE%3A%20Attack%20on%20Syria%3A%20The%20hypocrisy%20of%20Obama%2C%20Kerry%20and%20co%2E">Reply
to group </A></TD>
<TD
style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #eaeaea 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #eaeaea 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 5px; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #f2f2f2; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 5px; FONT-FAMILY: arial; COLOR: #fff; FONT-SIZE: 12px; BORDER-TOP: #eaeaea 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #eaeaea 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 7px"><A
style="COLOR: #2d50fd; TEXT-DECORATION: none"
href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/socialistdiscussion/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJmMzFqbjZxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE4MDM1OTUzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2MDM3NQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzNzgzODI4MjI-">Start
a New Topic</A> </TD>
<TD
style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #eaeaea 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #eaeaea 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 5px; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #f2f2f2; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 5px; FONT-FAMILY: arial; COLOR: #2d50fd; FONT-SIZE: 12px; BORDER-TOP: #eaeaea 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #eaeaea 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 7px"><A
style="COLOR: #2d50fd; TEXT-DECORATION: none"
href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/socialistdiscussion/message/24064;_ylc=X3oDMTM3b2pwZWtnBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE4MDM1OTUzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2MDM3NQRtc2dJZAMyNDE5OQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzNzgzODI4MjIEdHBjSWQDMjQwNjQ-">Messages
in this topic</A> (2) </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><!------- Start Nav Bar ------><!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| --><!-- |**|end egp html banner|**| --><!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| -->
<DIV
style="PADDING-BOTTOM: 10px; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #f2f2f2; PADDING-LEFT: 10px; PADDING-RIGHT: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 10px; FONT-SIZE: 10px; PADDING-TOP: 10px"
id=ygrp-vital><SPAN
style="TEXT-TRANSFORM: uppercase; COLOR: #333; FONT-WEIGHT: bold"
id=vithd>Recent Activity:</SPAN>
<UL
style="PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LIST-STYLE-TYPE: none; MARGIN: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; DISPLAY: inline; PADDING-TOP: 0px"></UL>
<DIV style="COLOR: #1e66ae; CLEAR: both; PADDING-TOP: 2px"><A
style="TEXT-DECORATION: none"
href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/socialistdiscussion;_ylc=X3oDMTJmYmJxYmozBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE4MDM1OTUzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2MDM3NQRzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEzNzgzODI4MjI-">Visit
Your Group</A> </DIV></DIV>
<DIV
style="PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 2px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; CLEAR: both; FONT-SIZE: 11px; PADDING-TOP: 0px"
id=ft><A style="FLOAT: left"
href="http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJlOWxkZXEzBF9TAzk3NDc2NTkwBGdycElkAzE4MDM1OTUzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2MDM3NQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTM3ODM4MjgyMg--"><IMG
style="BORDER-RIGHT-WIDTH: 0px; BORDER-TOP-WIDTH: 0px; BORDER-BOTTOM-WIDTH: 0px; BORDER-LEFT-WIDTH: 0px"
alt="Yahoo! Groups" src="http://l.yimg.com/a/i/us/yg/logo/us.gif" width=137
height=15></A>
<DIV style="FLOAT: right; COLOR: #747575">Switch to: <A
style="TEXT-DECORATION: none"
href="mailto:socialistdiscussion-traditional@yahoogroups.com?subject=Change Delivery Format: Traditional">Text-Only</A>,
<A style="TEXT-DECORATION: none" class=margin-rt
href="mailto:socialistdiscussion-digest@yahoogroups.com?subject=Email Delivery: Digest">Daily
Digest</A> • <A style="TEXT-DECORATION: none"
href="mailto:socialistdiscussion-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe">Unsubscribe</A>
• <A style="TEXT-DECORATION: none"
href="http://info.yahoo.com/legal/us/yahoo/utos/terms/">Terms of Use</A> • <A
style="TEXT-DECORATION: none"
href="mailto:ygroupsnotifications@yahoogroups.com?subject=Feedback on the redesigned individual mail v1">Send
us Feedback </A></DIV></DIV><!-- |**|end egp html banner|**| --></DIV><!-- ygrp-msg --><!-- Sponsor --><!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| -->
<DIV
style="MARGIN: 0px 0px 25px; WIDTH: 160px; BACKGROUND: #fff; FLOAT: right; CLEAR: none"
id=ygrp-sponsor><!-- Start Recommendations -->
<DIV id=ygrp-reco></DIV><!-- End Recommendations --></DIV><!-- |**|end egp html banner|**| -->
<DIV style="COLOR: #fff; CLEAR: both; FONT-SIZE: 1px">.</DIV></DIV><IMG
src="http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=18035953/grpspId=1705060375/msgId=24199/stime=1378382822"
width=1 height=1> <BR>
<DIV style="HEIGHT: 0px; COLOR: #fff">__,_._,___</DIV><!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlEnd|**|-~--><!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlStart|**|-~-->
<STYLE type=text/css>#ygrp-mkp {
BORDER-BOTTOM: #d8d8d8 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #d8d8d8 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN: 10px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 10px; PADDING-RIGHT: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; BORDER-TOP: #d8d8d8 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #d8d8d8 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px
}
#ygrp-mkp HR {
BORDER-BOTTOM: #d8d8d8 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #d8d8d8 1px solid; BORDER-TOP: #d8d8d8 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #d8d8d8 1px solid
}
#ygrp-mkp #hd {
LINE-HEIGHT: 122%; MARGIN: 10px 0px; COLOR: #628c2a; FONT-SIZE: 85%; FONT-WEIGHT: 700
}
#ygrp-mkp #ads {
MARGIN-BOTTOM: 10px
}
#ygrp-mkp .ad {
PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px
}
#ygrp-mkp .ad P {
MARGIN: 0px
}
#ygrp-mkp .ad A {
COLOR: #0000ff; TEXT-DECORATION: none
}
#ygrp-sponsor #ygrp-lc {
FONT-FAMILY: Arial
}
#ygrp-sponsor #ygrp-lc #hd {
LINE-HEIGHT: 122%; MARGIN: 10px 0px; FONT-SIZE: 78%; FONT-WEIGHT: 700
}
#ygrp-sponsor #ygrp-lc .ad {
PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 10px; PADDING-TOP: 0px
}
#actions {
PADDING-BOTTOM: 10px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; FONT-SIZE: 11px; PADDING-TOP: 10px
}
#activity {
PADDING-BOTTOM: 10px; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #e0ecee; PADDING-LEFT: 10px; PADDING-RIGHT: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; FLOAT: left; FONT-SIZE: 10px; PADDING-TOP: 10px
}
#activity SPAN {
FONT-WEIGHT: 700
}
#activity SPAN:first-child {
TEXT-TRANSFORM: uppercase
}
#activity SPAN A {
COLOR: #5085b6; TEXT-DECORATION: none
}
#activity SPAN SPAN {
COLOR: #ff7900
}
#activity SPAN .underline {
TEXT-DECORATION: underline
}
.attach {
PADDING-BOTTOM: 10px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; WIDTH: 400px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; DISPLAY: table; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; CLEAR: both; FONT-SIZE: 12px; PADDING-TOP: 10px
}
.attach DIV A {
TEXT-DECORATION: none
}
.attach IMG {
BORDER-BOTTOM-STYLE: none; BORDER-RIGHT-STYLE: none; PADDING-RIGHT: 5px; BORDER-TOP-STYLE: none; BORDER-LEFT-STYLE: none
}
.attach LABEL {
DISPLAY: block; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 5px
}
.attach LABEL A {
TEXT-DECORATION: none
}
BLOCKQUOTE {
MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 4px
}
.bold {
FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 13px; FONT-WEIGHT: 700
}
.bold A {
TEXT-DECORATION: none
}
DD.last P A {
FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; FONT-WEIGHT: 700
}
DD.last P SPAN {
FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; FONT-WEIGHT: 700; MARGIN-RIGHT: 10px
}
DD.last P SPAN.yshortcuts {
MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px
}
DIV.attach-table DIV DIV A {
TEXT-DECORATION: none
}
DIV.attach-table {
WIDTH: 400px
}
DIV.file-title A {
TEXT-DECORATION: none
}
DIV.file-title A:active {
TEXT-DECORATION: none
}
DIV.file-title A:hover {
TEXT-DECORATION: none
}
DIV.file-title A:visited {
TEXT-DECORATION: none
}
DIV.photo-title A {
TEXT-DECORATION: none
}
DIV.photo-title A:active {
TEXT-DECORATION: none
}
DIV.photo-title A:hover {
TEXT-DECORATION: none
}
DIV.photo-title A:visited {
TEXT-DECORATION: none
}
DIV#ygrp-mlmsg #ygrp-msg P A SPAN.yshortcuts {
FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; FONT-SIZE: 10px; FONT-WEIGHT: normal
}
.green {
COLOR: #628c2a
}
.MsoNormal {
MARGIN: 0px
}
o {
FONT-SIZE: 0px
}
#photos DIV {
WIDTH: 72px; FLOAT: left
}
#photos DIV DIV {
BORDER-BOTTOM: #666666 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #666666 1px solid; WIDTH: 62px; HEIGHT: 62px; OVERFLOW: hidden; BORDER-TOP: #666666 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #666666 1px solid
}
#photos DIV LABEL {
TEXT-ALIGN: center; WIDTH: 64px; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; COLOR: #666666; FONT-SIZE: 10px; OVERFLOW: hidden
}
#reco-category {
FONT-SIZE: 77%
}
#reco-desc {
FONT-SIZE: 77%
}
.replbq {
MARGIN: 4px
}
#ygrp-actbar DIV A:first-child {
PADDING-RIGHT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 2px
}
#ygrp-mlmsg {
FONT-FAMILY: Arial, helvetica,clean, sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: small
}
#ygrp-mlmsg TABLE {
}
#ygrp-mlmsg SELECT {
FONT: 99% Arial, Helvetica, clean, sans-serif
}
INPUT {
FONT: 99% Arial, Helvetica, clean, sans-serif
}
TEXTAREA {
FONT: 99% Arial, Helvetica, clean, sans-serif
}
#ygrp-mlmsg PRE {
FONT: 100% monospace
}
CODE {
FONT: 100% monospace
}
#ygrp-mlmsg * {
LINE-HEIGHT: 1.22em
}
#ygrp-mlmsg #logo {
PADDING-BOTTOM: 10px
}
#ygrp-msg P A {
FONT-FAMILY: Verdana
}
#ygrp-msg P#attach-count SPAN {
COLOR: #1e66ae; FONT-WEIGHT: 700
}
#ygrp-reco #reco-head {
COLOR: #ff7900; FONT-WEIGHT: 700
}
#ygrp-reco {
PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 20px; PADDING-TOP: 0px
}
#ygrp-sponsor #ov LI A {
FONT-SIZE: 130%; TEXT-DECORATION: none
}
#ygrp-sponsor #ov LI {
PADDING-BOTTOM: 6px; LIST-STYLE-TYPE: square; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 77%; PADDING-TOP: 6px
}
#ygrp-sponsor #ov UL {
PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 8px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px
}
#ygrp-text {
FONT-FAMILY: Georgia
}
#ygrp-text P {
MARGIN: 0px 0px 1em
}
#ygrp-text TT {
FONT-SIZE: 120%
}
#ygrp-vital UL LI:unknown {
BORDER-RIGHT-STYLE: none !important
}
</STYLE>
<!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlEnd|**|-~--><!-- end group email --></BODY></HTML>