<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>I'm not going to get caught up in a tedious cycle of reply to reply to reply, mostly because Jim Fetzer has already done me the favor of putting his reputation here through the wood chipper, so thoroughly in fact that there are hardly any large chunks left that need addressing. So here's my sole reply to this thread.</div><div><br></div><div>I long ago decided that there was an upper limit to the politeness a Holocaust denier can expect, so I hope you don't expect that through some sense of faux collegiality I will pretend I don't notice how Fetzer's remarks reek of eau d'Naziboy.</div><div><br></div><div>What is Fetzer's argument about the number of Holocaust dead based on? He points to a website article of the form "What is it with the lying Jews and their fetish about the number six million? They're polluting the minds of white children." Here's a direct quote from the article Fetzer found so persuasive: </div><div><br></div><div>"The primary function of this insidious global propaganda campaign is to -- quite simply -- brainwash non-Jews into a state of abject fear and paralysis while we are ideologically, economically, and physically enslaved by the Jewish tribe."</div><div><br></div><div>Now, remember, that's an article that Fetzer not only doesn't find racially problematic, not only finds agreeable, not only doesn't set off his racism alarm, but finds so sunnily agreeable to his worldview that he actually recommended it to the rest of this list as an example of the sort of thing that shapes his thoughts on the topic.</div><div><br></div><div>I've long felt that 9/11 trooferdom, while always quite stupid, was not inherently antisemitic. It has its Jew-haters, sure, but that doesn't mean everyone.</div><div><br></div><div>Steve Francis, by his selection of Jim Fetzer and Kevin Barrett, has made it clear that he has aligned himself with the Jew-hating wing of trooferdom. </div><div><br></div><div>The sad part is, I don't think that Steve Francis is motivated by antisemitism. I just think he's so completely credulous, he doesn't do the most rudimentary gut-check of the antisemitic slop people like Fetzer feed him.</div><div><br>@%<</div><div><br>On Sep 17, 2013, at 3:29 PM, Stephen Francis <<a href="mailto:stephenf1113@yahoo.com">stephenf1113@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><div><span>This is James Fetzer's response to David Gehrig's post (below)</span></div><div><br></div> <div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"> <div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> ----- Forwarded Message -----<br> <font size="2" face="Arial"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> James Fetzer <<a href="mailto:jfetzer@d.umn.edu">jfetzer@d.umn.edu</a>><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Stephen Francis <<a href="mailto:stephenf1113@yahoo.com">stephenf1113@yahoo.com</a>> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, September 17, 2013 12:49 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: Fw: [OccupyCU] News Gazette article on 9/11 Truth Conference, Sept. 22, Urbana Free Library<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container"><br><div id="yiv3359191974"><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div><div>Someone is willfully misinterpreting, but that ain't me. I am a Holocaust REVISIONIST,</div><div>because I believe we have inherited a grossly exaggerated account of the events that</div>
<div>are alleged to have taken place at the end of WWII. The number of alleged "victims" of</div><div>the Holocaust, 6,000,000, for example, appears to be a number that has theological or</div><div>ideological origins and is not historically accurate. See, for example, a study discussing</div>
<div>the origins of the 6,000,000 myth at <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://zioncrimefactory.com/the-six-million-myth/">http://zioncrimefactory.com/the-six-million-myth/</a></div><div><br></div><div>Moreover, the Nuremberg Tribunals appear to have presented a biased case to convey</div>
<div>the impression that the Nazis were responsible for the extensive starvation of inmates</div><div>at internment camps, when, as Robert Faurisson, "Against Hollywoodism, Revisionism", </div><div><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://robertfaurisson.blogspot.com/2012/02/against-hollywoodism-revisionism.html">http://robertfaurisson.blogspot.com/2012/02/against-hollywoodism-revisionism.html</a> has</div>
<div>explained, that was a consequence of Allied bombing of German cities, which interdicted</div><div>railroad lines and made it impossible to resupply the camps, leading to mass starvation.</div><div>Ironically, the Tribunals found that collective punishment is a war crime, which the Allies</div>
<div>appear to have been keen to cover-up by attributing the starvation to the Nazis instead.</div><div><br></div><div>There are many other reasons to doubt the "official account" of the Holocaust. I do not</div>
<div>DENY that Jews, gypsies and the mentally and physically infirm were abused by Nazis,</div><div>but the nature of that abuse appears to have been exaggerated for political purposes. It</div><div>is no coincidence that the allegation of being a "Holocaust denier" is raised against any</div>
<div>one who is remotely critical of the actions or policies of the government of Israel, which</div><div>may qualify as "anti-Zionist" but does not qualify as "anti-Semitic". For more, I have a</div><div>
half-dozen or more interviews on "The Real Deal" discussing Holocaust mythology at</div><div><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://radiofetzer.blogspot.com/">http://radiofetzer.blogspot.com</a>. Anyone can go there and do a search on "Holocaust".</div>
<div><br></div><div>I published an article about this question, "Is 9/11 research 'anti-Semitic'?" in 2009. It</div><div>is offensive that Zionist organizations and individuals continue to attack all of us who</div>
<div>are trying to make sense of the evidence about the Holocaust and to counter the false</div><div>account of history that these exaggerated attacks entail, which play upon a sense of</div><div>Western guilt to manipulate the public to promote the political agenda of Israel. There</div>
<div>is more that could be said here, but I would like to think this is enough. I have most</div><div>recently laid out my views on these questions in an article in Veterans Today 2013:</div><div><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/06/04/anti-anti-semitism-and-the-search-for-historical-truth/">http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/06/04/anti-anti-semitism-and-the-search-for-historical-truth/</a><br>
</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div class="yiv3359191974gmail_extra"><div class="yiv3359191974gmail_quote"><blockquote class="yiv3359191974gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div><div style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"><div style="font-style: normal; font-size: 13px; background-color: transparent; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">----- Forwarded Message -----</span><br></div><div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><div style="font-size:12pt;"><div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> David Gehrig
<<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:david-cu@nukulele.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:david-cu@nukulele.org">david-cu@nukulele.org</a>><br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> Stephen Francis <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:stephenf1113@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:stephenf1113@yahoo.com">stephenf1113@yahoo.com</a>> <br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Cc:</span></b> occupycu <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:occupyCU@lists.chambana.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:occupyCU@lists.chambana.net">occupyCU@lists.chambana.net</a>>; "<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a>" <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a>>; sftalk <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:sftalk@yahoogroups.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:sftalk@yahoogroups.com">sftalk@yahoogroups.com</a>> <br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, September 17, 2013 8:40 AM<br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [OccupyCU] News Gazette article on 9/11 Truth Conference, Sept. 22, Urbana Free Library<br>
</font> </div> <div><br><div><div><div>Is that the same Jim Fetzer who says the Nazis only killed 600,000 Jews in the Holocaust, based on his willful misinterpretation of an ICRC document? Why, yes it is. </div><div><br>
</div><div>You're not doing a very good job disentangling yourself from the Holocaust denial
movement, are you. </div><div><br>@%<</div><div><br>On Sep 17, 2013, at 6:28 AM, Stephen Francis <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:stephenf1113@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:stephenf1113@yahoo.com">stephenf1113@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br><br>
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<td style="width:515px;" valign="top"><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-weight: normal;"><span style="font-size:13px;">Hello all,</span></div><div style="font-weight: normal; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">
<span style="font-size:13px;color:rgb(0,0,0);">The News Gazette has published an <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.news-gazette.com/news/local/2013-09-16/sunday-conference-focus-911-attacks.html#comment-516074">article</a> (and below) on The Midwest 9/11 Truth Conference this Sunday at the Urbana Free Library, in the auditorium from 1:30-4:45pm. Again, the speakers are </span><span style="font-size:13px;color:rgb(0,0,0);">three highly knowledgeable experts on 9/11 Truth including James Fetzer Ph.D. (founder of </span><span style="font-size:16px;color:rgb(0,0,127);"><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://911scholars.org/" style="font-size:13px;outline:0px;">Scholars for 9/11 Truth</a><span style="font-size:13px;">)</span></span><span style="font-size:13px;color:rgb(69,69,69);">,</span><span style="font-size:13px;color:rgb(0,0,0);"> Wayne Madsen (editor of </span><span><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/" style="color:rgb(0,0,127);font-size:13px;outline:0px;">WayneMadsenReport.com</a>,<span style="color:rgb(0,0,127);font-size:16px;"> </span><span style="font-size:13px;color:rgb(0,0,0);">Washington D.C.</span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,127);font-size:13px;">)</span></span><span style="font-size:13px;color:rgb(69,69,69);"> </span><span style="font-size:13px;color:rgb(0,0,0);">and Kevin Barrett (co-founder of the</span><span style="font-size:13px;color:rgb(0,0,127);"> </span><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.mujca.com/" style="font-size:13px;color:rgb(0,0,127);outline:0px;">Muslim Jewish Christian Alliance for 9/11 Truth</a><span style="font-size:13px;"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,127);">). </span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);">The conference is hosted by <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/uc911truth/">UC 9/11 Truth Urbana-Champaign</a> and <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://newsfollowup.com/midwest_911_truth_conference_champaign-urbana_september_2013_newsfollowup.htm">NewsFollowUp.com</a> ... see Facebook <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="https://www.facebook.com/events/394502717338293/">Event</a> </span></span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);"> email: <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:info@midwest911truth.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:info@midwest911truth.com">info@midwest911truth.com</a></span></div>
<div style="font-size:16px;font-weight:normal;"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,127);"><span style="font-size:13px;"><br></span></span></div><div style="font-size:16px;font-weight:normal;"><span><span style="font-size:13px;color:rgb(0,0,0);"><div style="background-color:transparent;">
The world has changed dramatically since 9/11. Citizens of the U.S. have seen a precipitous erosion in basic Constitutional <span style="background-color:transparent;">rights since 9/11. This usurpation of rights has been directly tied to the creation of government entities and legislation, such as the </span><span style="background-color:transparent;">Department of </span><span style="background-color:transparent;">Homeland Security, the Patriot Act, the Military Commissions Act, the NDAA and revelation of massive surveillance of the American people</span><span style="background-color:transparent;"> by NSA.</span></div>
<div style="background-color:transparent;"><span style="background-color:transparent;"><br></span></div><div style="background-color:transparent;"><span style="background-color:transparent;">The first component of the conference will be to view the widely
distributed and acclaimed documentary film by the Architects & </span><span style="background-color:transparent;">Engineers for 9/11 Truth, '</span><span style="background-color:transparent;font-style:italic;">Explosive Evidence: Experts Speak Out</span><span style="background-color:transparent;">'. Because </span><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.ae911truth.org/" style="background-color:transparent;outline:0px;">AE911Truth.org</a><span style="background-color:transparent;"> is a highly significant leader in the 9/11 </span></div>
<div style="background-color:transparent;"><span style="background-color:transparent;">Truth movement, its influential documentary deserves careful </span><span style="background-color:transparent;">scrutiny insofar its</span><span style="background-color:transparent;"> conclusions are widely regarded as providing crucial evidence for future legal
action</span>. </div><div style="background-color:transparent;"><span style="background-color:transparent;"><br></span></div><div style="background-color:transparent;"><div style="background-color:transparent;"></div></div>
</span></span></div></td><td valign="top"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);"><img src="http://www.newsfollowup.com/id/911_conference2/ng_press_release1.jpg"><br></span></td></tr></tbody></table></span></h2><div><table style="color: rgb(53, 53, 53); font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; font-weight: bold; width: 900px;">
<tbody><tr><td valign="top" style="width:515px;"><div style="font-size:16px;font-weight:normal;"><span><span style="font-size:13px;"><div style="background-color:transparent;"><div style="background-color:transparent;"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);"><span style="background-color:transparent;">James Fetzer, Ph.D., will assess the
A&E</span><span style="background-color:transparent;"> documentary and report the latest scientific findings about how it was done, where all sides agree that</span> the Twin Towers could not have been brought down by the impact of airliners and resulting fires.. His analysis of the science of 9/11 will be complemented by Wayne Madsen's analysis of who was responsible and why. Kevin Barrett will moderate and add his perspective to all of these issues.</span></div>
<div style="background-color:transparent;"><span style="background-color:transparent;color:rgb(0,0,0);"><br></span></div><div style="background-color:transparent;"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);"><span style="background-color:transparent;">We seek to </span><span style="background-color:transparent;">find answers to legitimate questions about 9/11</span><span style="background-color:transparent;"> and to enable credible prosecutors to bring the
perpetrators for these acts to </span></span></div><div style="background-color:transparent;"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);"><span style="background-color:transparent;">justice. </span><span style="background-color:transparent;">There is a vast amount of evidence gathered to support </span><span style="background-color:transparent;">this belief and has led to the conclusion that neo-cons in the US were aided by the intelligence services of other countries. Supporters</span><span style="background-color:transparent;"> of the 9/11 Truth </span><span style="background-color:transparent;">movement, including local members of UC 9/11 Truth Urbana Champaign, </span><span style="background-color:transparent;">demand a new independent and international investigation of 9/11.</span></span></div>
<div style="background-color:transparent;"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);"><span style="background-color:transparent;"><br></span></span></div><div style="background-color:transparent;"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);"><span style="background-color:transparent;">We invite all to attend. The conference is free and open to the public.</span></span></div>
<div style="background-color:transparent;"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);"><span style="background-color:transparent;">Thank you</span></span></div><div style="background-color:transparent;"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);"><span style="background-color:transparent;">Steve Francis </span></span></div>
<div style="background-color:transparent;"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);"><span style="background-color:transparent;">UC 9/11 Truth Urbana-Champaign email: <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:info@midwest911truth.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:info@midwest911truth.com">info@midwest911truth.com</a></span></span></div>
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</span></div><div style="background-color:transparent;"><span style="background-color:transparent;color:rgb(0,0,0);">News Gazette article:</span></div><div style="color:rgb(69,69,69);background-color:transparent;"><span style="background-color:transparent;"><h2 style="background-image:none;margin-bottom:0px;color:rgb(53,53,53);">
Sunday conference to focus on 9/11 attacks</h2></span></div><div style="color:rgb(69,69,69);"><span style="background-color:transparent;"><br></span></div></div></span></span></div></td></tr></tbody></table></div><div style="font-size:16px;border:none;color:rgb(53,53,53);">
<span style="line-height:2.4em;color:rgb(119,119,119);"><div style="line-height:2.4em;"><span>Mon, 09/16/2013 - 7:40pm</span> | <span><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.news-gazette.com/author/news-gazette" style="color: rgb(0, 51, 102); margin-bottom: 3px; text-decoration: none; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">The News-Gazette</a></span></div>
</span><div><div style="margin:10px 0px 0px;"><div><div></div><div>URBANA — A conference planned this weekend in Urbana will explore issues surrounding the attacks on Sept. 11, 2001.</div><div>The Midwest 9/11 Truth Conference will be held at 1:30 p.m. Sunday in the auditorium of the Urbana Free Library, 210 W. Green St.</div>
<div>The event is sponsored by UC 9/11 Truth
Urbana-Champaign. (<span style="font-style:italic;">see Facebook</span>)</div><div>Admission is free and open to the public.</div><div>People who have been studying the events of Sept. 11 will talk about their perspectives on the
attacks.</div><div>"According to national and international polls, nearly 30 percent of the population is skeptical of the 'official' version of the events of 9/11," said Steve Francis of UC 9/11 Truth Champaign-Urbana. "The 9/11 Commission Report is viewed as a cover-up by a significant percentage of citizens and the 9/11 Truth Movement seeks to find answers to these questions about the real cause of those atrocities."</div>
<div>The conference will begin the presentation of a documentary film, "Explosive Evidence: Experts Speak Out."</div><div>James Fetzer, the founder of Scholars for 9/11 Truth, will comment on the documentary and report on scientific findings.</div>
<div>Wayne Madsen, editor of <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://waynemadsenreport.com/">WayneMadsenReport.com</a>, will provide an analysis of who may have been responsible for the attacks and why.</div><div>Kevin Barrett, co-founder of the Muslim-Jewish-Christian Alliance for
9/11 Truth, will serve as moderator and will add his perspective on the
issues.</div><div>For more information on the event, call Fetzer at <a rel="nofollow" href="">608-354-4280</a>.</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">
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