<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><div style="margin-bottom: 0.5em; color: rgb(53, 53, 53); font-size: 16px;">Just to remind everyone, The Midwest 9/11 Truth Conference is about focusing on the evidence of the crime committed on 9/11 and not about defending ourselves from attacks of anti-Semitism....and will be conducted as such.</div><div style="margin-bottom: 0.5em; color: rgb(53, 53, 53); font-size: 16px;"><br></div><div style="margin-bottom: 0.5em; color: rgb(53, 53, 53); font-size: 16px; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;">My response (below) to Rog47 on News Gazette comments...</div><div style="margin-bottom: 0.5em; color: rgb(53, 53, 53); font-size: 16px; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><br></div><div style="margin-bottom: 0.5em; color: rgb(53,
53, 53); font-size: 16px; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;">In response to your allegation that this conference has a connection to neo-Nazis I can easily and comfortably reply that there is none. What I care about is what really happened on 9/11 and know the official version is total bunk. At no point will we ask for any donations and not because of library rules. There is not a shred of advertising monetary profit on any of my websites and I was the sole decision maker on choosing the Urbana Free Library for the conference. Jim Fetzer had absolutely no input on this decision that was made before he and began communicating. I'm grateful to the UFL for having the room available in a society that holds great value in free speech. (Well, at least according to the Constitution) </div><div style="margin-bottom: 0.5em; color: rgb(53, 53, 53); font-size: 16px;">You will
find no affiliations to any national organizations on my part. You can search my past till the cows come home and all you'll find is a life of a dirt poor ex-musician peace activist. I'm in my sixties now but when I was 18 years old my life was turned upside down because of the fraudulent (Gulf of Tonkin Resolution) Vietnam War. I volunteered for the draft in 1969 and served in the Army at Fort Hood, Texas. I didn't go to Vietnam but saw many of the destroyed empty-of-life heroin addicts returning from Vietnam and because of this and many other experiences in the Army became a highly active antiwar activist. I think you see my point here and do not need to expand on this. Luckily I came out of it understanding that the Vietnam War was just another gear in the war-profit machine.</div><div style="margin-bottom: 0.5em; color: rgb(53, 53, 53); font-size: 16px;">When 9/11 occurred I was puzzled by it as were most.
But when Bush and Cheney started talking about invading Iraq, old memories of the Vietnam War came welling to the surface. I started poking around on the internet trying to figure why we were talkng about another war and soon realized that I was just looking at a replay of the Vietnam War. </div><div style="margin-bottom: 0.5em; color: rgb(53, 53, 53); font-size: 16px;">To cut to the chase here, in my research on the events of 9/11 and the research of millions of people all over the world have consistently led to only a few places and countries. It soon became apparent that 'the war-profit machine' was well oiled and ready to go back into action. The highest percentage ever of dual Israeli-American citizens occupied the closest positions to Bush and Cheney in the decision to invade Iraq and Afghanistan. Why are we Israel's mercenaries?</div><div style="margin-bottom: 0.5em; color: rgb(53, 53, 53); font-size:
16px;">And if you keep digging you find significant events and documents that affect great change in the course of civilization. One of those documents is the Balfour Declaration. </div><div style="margin-bottom: 0.5em; color: rgb(53, 53, 53); font-size: 16px;"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration" style="color: rgb(0, 51, 102); margin-bottom: 3px; text-decoration: none; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">Wikipedia </a>Balfour Declaration "His Majesty's government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that <em><strong>nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine</strong></em>, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country."</div><div
style="margin-bottom: 0.5em; color: rgb(53, 53, 53); font-size: 16px;">It is an extraordinary document that is completely relevant to the discussions over the last day on this comment section of the News Gazette. James Fetzer and I are being accused of being anti-Semitic because everyone involved knows that the trail of tens of thousands of pieces of evidence to the heinous crime of 9/11 leads to Israel and specifically the Zionists who were the creators of this document, along with the leaders of Britain and America. There were 400-500 villages bulldozed out of existence and 100's of thousands killed or chased out of their homes. Gaza. The American Indians know exactly what I'm talking about.</div><div style="margin-bottom: 0.5em; color: rgb(53, 53, 53); font-size: 16px;">We are not afraid of accusations of being anti-Semitic. We see and fully understand what that accusaton is used for. Our conference is about the
evidence and not about defending ourselves from false attacks.</div><div style="margin-bottom: 0.5em; color: rgb(53, 53, 53); font-size: 16px;">Why is it that James and I are being attacked by the Jewish community for our research and conclusions about 9/11? Are they afraid of what will be discovered? Why is it that the so-called peace process never goes anywhere? What are the true aims of the leaders of Israel? If you look at a map of Palestine when the Balfour Declaration was created you will find clues to the answer. If you look at a map of Israel in 1948, and 2005, then 2013 you will again find the answer. If you put two and two together and make some connections to World War II and the holocaust you find more evidence of the real aims of the leaders of Israel. Most people know what I'm talking about here and have there own opinions on how to interpret these ideas so I won't expand on them any further. I am
a Holocaust Revisionist not denier. </div><div style="margin-bottom: 0.5em; color: rgb(53, 53, 53); font-size: 16px;">It is becoming well known that all wars are cooked up to control financial and natural resources. Forbes Magazine has reported that only .2% of the population is Jewish but 15% of billionaires are Jewish. Just sayin'.</div><div style="margin-bottom: 0.5em; color: rgb(53, 53, 53); font-size: 16px;">Just in the last week, AIPAC (formerly Zionists of America) pulled out all stops to lobby Congress to attack Syria knowing all well that a vast majority of Americans opposed the attack, but also knowing they have a death grip on Congress. Dear God I hope they fail. There effort is NOT consistent with " <em><strong>nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine"</strong></em></div><div style="margin-bottom: 0.5em; color: rgb(53, 53, 53);
font-size: 16px;">I learned that Sen. Dick Durbin voted for a military response.</div><div style="margin-bottom: 0.5em; color: rgb(53, 53, 53); font-size: 16px;">If you are going to attack me for being anti-Semitic, be careful what that attack will lead to. There are millions of people all over the world that are putting the FACTS together. </div><div style="margin-bottom: 0.5em; color: rgb(53, 53, 53); font-size: 16px;">I stand by this statement from a segment of the Jewish population in Israel:</div><div style="margin-bottom: 0.5em; color: rgb(53, 53, 53); font-size: 16px;">"Jews Against Zionism is an organisation of Jews and others opposed to the Zionist movement and ideology, and to its impact on both Palestinians and Jews. We believe that the conflict in Palestine cannot be resolved without a return of Palestinian refugees and dismantlement of the Zionist structure of the state of Israel; and that this is impossible in the context of
“two states“ and a re-partition of Palestine.</div><div style="margin-bottom: 0.5em; color: rgb(53, 53, 53); font-size: 16px;">We advocate the only approach which can lead to peace with justice in the region; we call fro a unitary, secular and democratic Palestine, the return of Palestinian refugees, and full and equal rights for Palestinians, Israeli Jews, and all other people living in the whole of Palestine."</div><div style="margin-bottom: 0.5em; color: rgb(53, 53, 53); font-size: 16px; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><br></div><div style="margin-bottom: 0.5em; color: rgb(53, 53, 53); font-size: 16px; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;">From Rog47 ....News Gazette</div><div style="margin-bottom: 0.5em; color: rgb(53, 53, 53); font-size: 16px; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; background-color: transparent;
font-style: normal;">What would really cause Fetzer and friends a big problem would be if large numbers of people who oppose his claims about 9/11, Holocaust, etc. show up and question him politely. They might even keep out the true believers if they get there and get all of the seats. They are probably holding this event in Urbana because they want a University of Illinois connection but could not get their meeting on to the campus. I would expect them to video the event and advertise that it was at Urbana near the University of Illinois just like Fetzer plays up his former distinguished professorial role that has nothing to do with his 9/11, etc. rants. Do ask Fetzer about Doug Rokke and about his connection to David von Kleist the master of ceremonies at this event - he will have a lot of tap dancing to do on the head of a pin. You might also ask him about Leuren Moret and her claims about the US having used
the University of Alaska HAARP research project for tectonic warfare to create the Tohoku Earthquake and subsequent tsunami. Both Rokke and Moret have been with Fetzer at prior 9/11 events, perhaps as his personally invited guests. They also both appear in von Kleist's "Beyond Treason" and von Kleist also produced "Plane Truth". The Nazi connection is pretty hard to deny. No one else flies the red flag with the swastika in the center. Neo Nazi American Free Press/The Barnes Review convention<a href="http://www.chairmanofnordwave.blogspot.com/" style="color: rgb(0, 51, 102); margin-bottom: 3px; text-decoration: none; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">http://www.chairmanofnordwave.blogspot.com</a></div><div style="margin-bottom: 0.5em; color: rgb(53, 53, 53); font-size: 16px;">The 9/11 Truthers are really a cottage industry, but no sales, no buying, no donations are permitted by the libraries rules. Please, do
be aware of this.</div><div><span></span></div><div style="margin-bottom: 0.5em; color: rgb(53, 53, 53); font-size: 16px;">You might also ask the library for the application for the room. I would expect it to be a public record subject to disclosure under the Illinois Freedom of Information Act. That would disclose the nature of the non-profit organization (one with an IRS 501(c)(3) designation?) has applied for the room.</div><div><br></div> <div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"> <div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Roger Helbig <rwhelbig@gmail.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Stephen Francis <stephenf1113@yahoo.com> <br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> "david-cu@nukulele.org"
<david-cu@nukulele.org>; "peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" <peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net>; sftalk <sftalk@yahoogroups.com>; Jim Fetzer <jfetzer@d.umn.edu> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, September 18, 2013 1:19 AM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Peace-discuss] [OccupyCU] News Gazette article on 9/11 Truth Conference, Sept. 22, Urbana Free Library<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container"><br><div id="yiv8635672838"><div dir="ltr"><div>Jim,</div><div> </div><div>Why don't you explain your connection to this American Free Press, Barnes Review event featuring Douglas Lind Rokke along with Holocaust deniers - I expect you also like the video The Plane Truth produced by David von Kleist, the master-of-ceremonies of this event. </div>
<div> </div><div><span style=""><font color="#000000" face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Neo Nazi American Free Press/The Barnes Review
convention </font><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.chairmanofnordwave.blogspot.com/"><font color="#0000ff">http://www.chairmanofnordwave.blogspot.com</font></a></span></div><div><span style=""></span> </div>
<div><span style="">Roger</span></div><div><span style=""></span> </div></div><div class="yiv8635672838gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="yiv8635672838gmail_quote">
On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 8:20 PM, Stephen Francis <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:stephenf1113@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:stephenf1113@yahoo.com">stephenf1113@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="yiv8635672838gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div><div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><div style="font-size:10pt;"><span>I'm passing Jim's response to David Gehrig on to the group(s)...</span></div><div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;">
<span>and would like to reiterate my enthusiastic support for James Fetzer. I have much to learn from him. He and I are on the same page every issue that I can think of.</span></div><div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;">
<span>I again take exception to remarks like the one below:</span></div><div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;"><span><span>"Steve Francis, by his selection of Jim Fetzer and Kevin Barrett, has made it clear that he has aligned himself with the Jew-hating wing of trooferdom."</span><br>
</span></div><div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;"><span><span style="font-size:16px;">I reiterate my support for the following JEWISH organizations.</span></span></div>
<div><a rel="nofollow" style="color: rgb(0, 51, 102); font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; text-decoration: none; margin-bottom: 3px;" target="_blank" href="http://www.nkusa.org/">NKUSA</a><span style="color:rgb(53,53,53);font-size:16px;">, </span><a rel="nofollow" style="color: rgb(0, 51, 102); font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; text-decoration: none; margin-bottom: 3px;" target="_blank" href="http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/satmar.htm">JewsNotZionists</a><span style="color:rgb(53,53,53);font-size:16px;">, </span><a rel="nofollow" style="color: rgb(0, 51, 102); font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; text-decoration: none; margin-bottom: 3px;" target="_blank" href="http://www.inminds.co.uk/jews-against-zionism.html">JewsAgainstZion</a><span style="color:rgb(53,53,53);font-size:16px;">, </span><a rel="nofollow" style="color: rgb(0, 51, 102); font-family: helvetica, arial,
sans-serif; font-size: 16px; text-decoration: none; margin-bottom: 3px;" target="_blank" href="http://rense.com/general54/thank.htm">JewsAgainstZionism</a><span style="color:rgb(53,53,53);font-size:16px;">, </span><a rel="nofollow" style="color: rgb(0, 51, 102); font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; text-decoration: none; margin-bottom: 3px;" target="_blank" href="http://www.ijsn.net/home/">International Jewish AntiZionist Network</a><span style="color:rgb(53,53,53);font-size:16px;">, </span><a rel="nofollow" style="color: rgb(0, 51, 102); font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; text-decoration: none; margin-bottom: 3px;" target="_blank" href="https://www.facebook.com/pages/American-Jews-Solidarity-Against-Zionism/318506794911703">American Jews Solidarity Against Zionism</a><span style="color:rgb(53,53,53);font-size:16px;">, </span><a rel="nofollow" style="color: rgb(0, 51, 102); font-family:
helvetica, arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; text-decoration: none; margin-bottom: 3px;" target="_blank" href="http://www.realjewnews.com/?p=762">Rabbis Against Zionism</a><span style="color:rgb(53,53,53);font-size:16px;">, </span><a rel="nofollow" style="color: rgb(0, 51, 102); font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; text-decoration: none; margin-bottom: 3px;" target="_blank" href="http://www.israelversusjudaism.org/">IsraelVersusJudaism</a><font color="#353535">. These people created their organizations for a specific reason of which they are highly dedicated. </font><br>
</div><div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;"><span style="color:rgb(53,53,53);font-size:16px;"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;">See Jim's response
below:</span><br></span></div> <div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"> <div style="font-size:12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1">
<font face="Arial"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> James Fetzer <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:jfetzer@d.umn.edu" target="_blank" href="mailto:jfetzer@d.umn.edu">jfetzer@d.umn.edu</a>><br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> Stephen Francis <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:stephenf1113@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:stephenf1113@yahoo.com">stephenf1113@yahoo.com</a>> <br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, September 17, 2013 7:34 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [OccupyCU] News Gazette article on 9/11 Truth Conference, Sept. 22, Urbana Free Library<br>
</font> </div> <div><br><div><div dir="ltr">Steve, <div><br></div><div>Kindly post this as my response to the completely unwarranted claims made by: <span style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; border-collapse: collapse;"><table style="width:auto;margin-top:0px;border-collapse:collapse;" cellpadding="0">
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<span style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; font-weight: bold; vertical-align: top; display: inline; white-space: nowrap;"><br>David Gehrig</span> <span style="vertical-align:top;"><font color="#555555"><<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:david-cu@nukulele.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:david-cu@nukulele.org">david-cu@nukulele.org</a>> appears to be the epitome of arrogance <br>
driven by ignorance. I</font><font color="#555555">n his completely gratuitous dismissal of my positions, which <br>he supports exclusively by a very odd quote taken </font><font color="#555555">out of context. Does he not <br>
know that the figure 6,000,000 was being bandied about as early as 1890</font> <font color="#555555">and has <br>'a theological or ideological origin. It has nothing to do with the history of WWII, <br>
including of </font><font color="#555555">course the Holocaust, which he may not realized would not take place <br>for another 40 or 50 years. But spare me more about the Holocaust!<br><br>I </font><font color="#555555">have spelled out my position on a very wide range of complex and controversial <br>
subjects, about which it </font><font color="#555555">appears he knows nothing at all. If he would like to show <br>me wrong, THEN SHOW ME WRONG. Pick the subject on </font>which he thinks I am <br>
most likely to be wrong. Explain my position and why I hold it, then spell out what <br>he thinks I have wrong and why. I find it completely insulting to everyone whom he <br>addresses that he can make pompous pronouncements with no proof! <br>
<br><font color="#555555">Here is a thumbnail sketch of my positions on issues that have arisen on the thread: </font><br><font color="#555555"> <br></font><span style="color: rgb(53, 53, 53); font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; white-space: normal; border-collapse: separate;"><font>9/11 was not committed by 19 Islamic terrorists who hijacked four commercial airliners and outfoxed the most sophisticated air-defense system in the world;<div style="margin-bottom:0.5em;">
the Wellstone plane crash was not an accident, as the NTSB reported, but was very carefully contrived for the GOP to take control of the Senate and launch wars;</div><div style="margin-bottom:0.5em;">the Holocaust has been exaggerated for political reasons, including war crimes by the allies in the form of collective punishment of German cities, which they needed to conceal;</div>
<div style="margin-bottom:0.5em;">JFK was hit four times--in the throat from in front, in the back from behind, and twice in the head (from behind and from the right-front)--where Lee Oswald didn't do it;</div><div style="margin-bottom:0.5em;">
the moon landing was easier to pull off than most realize, as the film, "Capricorn I", releals, where Stanly Kubrick seems to have faked the landings for the government;</div><div style="margin-bottom:0.5em;">the Boston bombing was an obvious fraud, where the Craft International perps had been outed by the alternative press already the evening of the event itself; and,</div>
<div style="margin-bottom:0.5em;">the Sandy Hook event was staged to promote gun control, which fell short but not for a lack of trying. </div><div style="margin-bottom:0.5em;">Check out <a rel="nofollow" style="color: rgb(0, 51, 102); font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif; text-decoration: none; margin-bottom: 3px;" title="http://www.veteranstoday.com/author/fetzer/" target="_blank" href="http://www.veteranstoday.com/author/fetzer/">http://www.veteranstoday.com/author/fetzer/</a> for my and other's articles about them. </div>
<div style="margin-bottom:0.5em;">If anyone thinks I am wrong about any of this, just take a look at the evidence and tell me what I have wrong and how you know, so I can take your arguments into account. </div><div style="margin-bottom:0.5em;">
Most of us don't have the luxury or the background or the ability to take this on, but I am a professional scholar who has been devoting himself to their study since my retirement.</div><div style="margin-bottom:0.5em;">
I am not happy with what we have found, but the core of rationality is to adapt your beliefs to the available relevant evidence. For an explanation of how this can be done, consider</div>
<div style="margin-bottom:0.5em;">"Thinking about 'Conspiracy Theories': 9/11 and JFK", which provides an introduction to "inference to the best explanation" in reasoning about cases like these at <a rel="nofollow" style="color: rgb(0, 51, 102); font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif; text-decoration: none; margin-bottom: 3px;" target="_blank" href="http://www.d.umn.edu/~jfetzer/fetzerexpandedx.pdf">http://www.d.umn.edu/%7Ejfetzer/fetzerexpandedx.pdf</a></div>
<div style="margin-bottom:0.5em;">I have benefited from collaborating with authorities in different domains, such as a world authority on the human brain and expert on wound ballistics, a Ph.D. in physics who is also an M.D. and board certified in radiation oncology;</div>
<div style="margin-bottom:0.5em;">an M.D. who was present when JFK was brought into Trauma Room #1 and two days later was responsible for the treatment of his alleged assassin in Trauma Room #2, a legendary photo analyst and another Ph.D. in electromagnetism.</div>
<div style="margin-bottom:0.5em;">In relation to 9/11, I have similarly benefitted from collaboration with physicists, pilots, engineers (structural, mechanical, aeronautical, and chemical), which has enabled me to sort things out on the basis of experts in areas where I am not.</div>
<div style="margin-bottom:0.5em;">Since David insists that I have "put my reputation through a wood chipper", as he so cavalierly puts it, let him choose the subject among those I've listed and SHOW WHAT I HAVE WRONG. He can pick the subject and explain what I say about it and why, then explain what I have wrong and how he knows. I don't think he can prevail on any of these subjects and if he cannot, then we will have proof positive he is the ignoramus who has no idea what he's talking about, which is already apparent to me. So he can take up my challenge or crawl back into the hole he came out of. The world will know he's a total fraud.</div>
<div style="margin-bottom:0.5em;">Jim</div></font></span></span></div></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></span> </div></div><div><br><br><div>On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 8:15 PM, David Gehrig <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:david-cu@nukulele.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:david-cu@nukulele.org">david-cu@nukulele.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;"><div><div>I'm not going to get caught up in a tedious cycle of reply to reply to reply, mostly because Jim Fetzer has already done me the favor of putting his reputation here through the wood chipper, so thoroughly in fact that there are hardly any large chunks left that need addressing. So here's my sole reply to this thread.</div>
<div><br></div><div>I long ago decided that there was an upper limit to the politeness a Holocaust denier can expect, so I hope you don't expect that through some sense of faux collegiality I will pretend I don't notice how Fetzer's remarks reek of eau d'Naziboy.</div>
<div><br></div><div>What is Fetzer's argument about the number of Holocaust dead based on? He points to a website article of the form "What is it with the lying Jews and their fetish about the number six million? They're polluting the minds of white children." Here's a direct quote from the article Fetzer found so persuasive: </div>
<div><br></div><div>"The primary function of this insidious global propaganda campaign is to -- quite simply -- brainwash non-Jews into a state of abject fear and paralysis while we are ideologically, economically, and physically enslaved by the Jewish tribe."</div>
<div><br></div><div>Now, remember, that's an article that Fetzer not only doesn't find racially problematic, not only finds agreeable, not only doesn't set off his racism alarm, but finds so sunnily agreeable to his worldview that he actually recommended it to the rest of this list as an example of the sort of thing that shapes his thoughts on the topic.</div>
<div><br></div><div>I've long felt that 9/11 trooferdom, while always quite stupid, was not inherently antisemitic. It has its Jew-haters, sure, but that doesn't mean everyone.</div><div><br></div><div>Steve Francis, by his selection of Jim Fetzer and Kevin Barrett, has made it clear that he has aligned himself with the Jew-hating wing of trooferdom. </div>
<div><br></div><div>The sad part is, I don't think that Steve Francis is motivated by antisemitism. I just think he's so completely credulous, he doesn't do the most rudimentary gut-check of the antisemitic slop people like Fetzer feed him.</div>
<div><br>@%<</div><div><div><div><br>On Sep 17, 2013, at 3:29 PM, Stephen Francis <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:stephenf1113@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:stephenf1113@yahoo.com">stephenf1113@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite">
<div><div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><div><span>This is James Fetzer's response to David Gehrig's post (below)</span></div><div><br></div> <div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">
<div style="font-size:12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> ----- Forwarded Message -----<br> <font face="Arial"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> James Fetzer <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:jfetzer@d.umn.edu" target="_blank" href="mailto:jfetzer@d.umn.edu">jfetzer@d.umn.edu</a>><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> Stephen Francis <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:stephenf1113@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:stephenf1113@yahoo.com">stephenf1113@yahoo.com</a>> <br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, September 17, 2013 12:49 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: Fw: [OccupyCU] News Gazette article on 9/11 Truth Conference, Sept. 22, Urbana Free Library<br> </font> </div> <div><br><div><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div><div>Someone is willfully misinterpreting, but that ain't me. I am a Holocaust REVISIONIST,</div>
<div>because I believe we have inherited a grossly exaggerated account of the events that</div>
<div>are alleged to have taken place at the end of WWII. The number of alleged "victims" of</div><div>the Holocaust, 6,000,000, for example, appears to be a number that has theological or</div><div>ideological origins and is not historically accurate. See, for example, a study discussing</div>
<div>the origins of the 6,000,000 myth at <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://zioncrimefactory.com/the-six-million-myth/">http://zioncrimefactory.com/the-six-million-myth/</a></div><div><br></div><div>Moreover, the Nuremberg Tribunals appear to have presented a biased case to convey</div>
<div>the impression that the Nazis were responsible for the extensive starvation of inmates</div><div>at internment camps, when, as Robert Faurisson, "Against Hollywoodism, Revisionism", </div><div><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://robertfaurisson.blogspot.com/2012/02/against-hollywoodism-revisionism.html">http://robertfaurisson.blogspot.com/2012/02/against-hollywoodism-revisionism.html</a> has</div>
<div>explained, that was a consequence of Allied bombing of German cities, which interdicted</div><div>railroad lines and made it impossible to resupply the camps, leading to mass starvation.</div><div>Ironically, the Tribunals found that collective punishment is a war crime, which the Allies</div>
<div>appear to have been keen to cover-up by attributing the starvation to the Nazis instead.</div><div><br></div><div>There are many other reasons to doubt the "official account" of the Holocaust. I do not</div>
<div>DENY that Jews, gypsies and the mentally and physically infirm were abused by Nazis,</div><div>but the nature of that abuse appears to have been exaggerated for political purposes. It</div><div>is no coincidence that the allegation of being a "Holocaust denier" is raised against any</div>
<div>one who is remotely critical of the actions or policies of the government of Israel, which</div><div>may qualify as "anti-Zionist" but does not qualify as "anti-Semitic". For more, I have a</div>
<div>
half-dozen or more interviews on "The Real Deal" discussing Holocaust mythology at</div><div><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://radiofetzer.blogspot.com/">http://radiofetzer.blogspot.com</a>. Anyone can go there and do a search on "Holocaust".</div>
<div><br></div><div>I published an article about this question, "Is 9/11 research 'anti-Semitic'?" in 2009. It</div><div>is offensive that Zionist organizations and individuals continue to attack all of us who</div>
<div>are trying to make sense of the evidence about the Holocaust and to counter the false</div><div>account of history that these exaggerated attacks entail, which play upon a sense of</div><div>Western guilt to manipulate the public to promote the political agenda of Israel. There</div>
<div>is more that could be said here, but I would like to think this is enough. I have most</div><div>recently laid out my views on these questions in an article in Veterans Today 2013:</div><div><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/06/04/anti-anti-semitism-and-the-search-for-historical-truth/">http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/06/04/anti-anti-semitism-and-the-search-for-historical-truth/</a><br>
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<span style="font-size:12pt;">----- Forwarded Message -----</span><br></div><div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><div style="font-size:12pt;"><div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> David Gehrig
<<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:david-cu@nukulele.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:david-cu@nukulele.org">david-cu@nukulele.org</a>><br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> Stephen Francis <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:stephenf1113@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:stephenf1113@yahoo.com">stephenf1113@yahoo.com</a>> <br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Cc:</span></b> occupycu <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:occupyCU@lists.chambana.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:occupyCU@lists.chambana.net">occupyCU@lists.chambana.net</a>>; "<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a>" <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a>>; sftalk <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:sftalk@yahoogroups.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:sftalk@yahoogroups.com">sftalk@yahoogroups.com</a>> <br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, September 17, 2013 8:40 AM<br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [OccupyCU] News Gazette article on 9/11 Truth Conference, Sept. 22, Urbana Free Library<br>
</font> </div> <div><br><div><div><div>Is that the same Jim Fetzer who says the Nazis only killed 600,000 Jews in the Holocaust, based on his willful misinterpretation of an ICRC document? Why, yes it is. </div><div><br>
</div><div>You're not doing a very good job disentangling yourself from the Holocaust denial
movement, are you. </div><div><br>@%<</div><div><br>On Sep 17, 2013, at 6:28 AM, Stephen Francis <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:stephenf1113@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:stephenf1113@yahoo.com">stephenf1113@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br><br>
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<td style="width:515px;" valign="top"><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-weight: normal;"><span style="font-size:13px;">Hello all,</span></div><div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-weight: normal;">
<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;">The News Gazette has published an <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.news-gazette.com/news/local/2013-09-16/sunday-conference-focus-911-attacks.html#comment-516074">article</a> (and below) on The Midwest 9/11 Truth Conference this Sunday at the Urbana Free Library, in the auditorium from 1:30-4:45pm. Again, the speakers are </span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;">three highly knowledgeable experts on 9/11 Truth including James Fetzer Ph.D. (founder of </span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,127);font-size:16px;"><a rel="nofollow" style="outline:0px;font-size:13px;" target="_blank" href="http://911scholars.org/">Scholars for 9/11 Truth</a><span style="font-size:13px;">)</span></span><span style="color:rgb(69,69,69);font-size:13px;">,</span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;"> Wayne Madsen (editor of </span><span><a rel="nofollow"
style="outline:0px;color:rgb(0,0,127);font-size:13px;" target="_blank" href="http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/">WayneMadsenReport.com</a>,<span style="color:rgb(0,0,127);font-size:16px;"> </span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;">Washington D.C.</span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,127);font-size:13px;">)</span></span><span style="color:rgb(69,69,69);font-size:13px;"> </span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;">and Kevin Barrett (co-founder of the</span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,127);font-size:13px;"> </span><a rel="nofollow" style="outline:0px;color:rgb(0,0,127);font-size:13px;" target="_blank" href="http://www.mujca.com/">Muslim Jewish Christian Alliance for 9/11 Truth</a><span style="font-size:13px;"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,127);">). </span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);">The conference is hosted by <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/uc911truth/">UC 9/11 Truth
Urbana-Champaign</a> and <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://newsfollowup.com/midwest_911_truth_conference_champaign-urbana_september_2013_newsfollowup.htm">NewsFollowUp.com</a> ... see Facebook <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="https://www.facebook.com/events/394502717338293/">Event</a> </span></span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);"> email: <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:info@midwest911truth.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:info@midwest911truth.com">info@midwest911truth.com</a></span></div>
<div style="font-size:16px;font-weight:normal;"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,127);"><span style="font-size:13px;"><br></span></span></div><div style="font-size:16px;font-weight:normal;"><span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;"><div style="background-color:transparent;">
The world has changed dramatically since 9/11. Citizens of the U.S. have seen a precipitous erosion in basic Constitutional <span style="background-color:transparent;">rights since 9/11. This usurpation of rights has been directly tied to the creation of government entities and legislation, such as the </span><span style="background-color:transparent;">Department of </span><span style="background-color:transparent;">Homeland Security, the Patriot Act, the Military Commissions Act, the NDAA and revelation of massive surveillance of the American people</span><span style="background-color:transparent;"> by NSA.</span></div>
<div style="background-color:transparent;"><span style="background-color:transparent;"><br></span></div><div style="background-color:transparent;"><span style="background-color:transparent;">The first component of the conference will be to view the widely
distributed and acclaimed documentary film by the Architects & </span><span style="background-color:transparent;">Engineers for 9/11 Truth, '</span><span style="font-style:italic;background-color:transparent;">Explosive Evidence: Experts Speak Out</span><span style="background-color:transparent;">'. Because </span><a rel="nofollow" style="outline:0px;background-color:transparent;" target="_blank" href="http://www.ae911truth.org/">AE911Truth.org</a><span style="background-color:transparent;"> is a highly significant leader in the 9/11 </span></div>
<div style="background-color:transparent;"><span style="background-color:transparent;">Truth movement, its influential documentary deserves careful </span><span style="background-color:transparent;">scrutiny insofar its</span><span style="background-color:transparent;"> conclusions are widely regarded as providing crucial evidence for future legal
action</span>. </div><div style="background-color:transparent;"><span style="background-color:transparent;"><br></span></div><div style="background-color:transparent;"><div style="background-color:transparent;"></div></div>
</span></span></div></td><td valign="top"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);"><img><br></span></td></tr></tbody></table></span></h2><div><table style="width: 900px; color: rgb(53, 53, 53); font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; font-weight: bold;">
<tbody><tr><td style="width:515px;" valign="top"><div style="font-size:16px;font-weight:normal;"><span><span style="font-size:13px;"><div style="background-color:transparent;"><div style="background-color:transparent;"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);"><span style="background-color:transparent;">James Fetzer, Ph.D., will assess the
A&E</span><span style="background-color:transparent;"> documentary and report the latest scientific findings about how it was done, where all sides agree that</span> the Twin Towers could not have been brought down by the impact of airliners and resulting fires.. His analysis of the science of 9/11 will be complemented by Wayne Madsen's analysis of who was responsible and why. Kevin Barrett will moderate and add his perspective to all of these issues.</span></div>
<div style="background-color:transparent;"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;"><br></span></div><div style="background-color:transparent;"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);"><span style="background-color:transparent;">We seek to </span><span style="background-color:transparent;">find answers to legitimate questions about 9/11</span><span style="background-color:transparent;"> and to enable credible prosecutors to bring the
perpetrators for these acts to </span></span></div><div style="background-color:transparent;"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);"><span style="background-color:transparent;">justice. </span><span style="background-color:transparent;">There is a vast amount of evidence gathered to support </span><span style="background-color:transparent;">this belief and has led to the conclusion that neo-cons in the US were aided by the intelligence services of other countries. Supporters</span><span style="background-color:transparent;"> of the 9/11 Truth </span><span style="background-color:transparent;">movement, including local members of UC 9/11 Truth Urbana Champaign, </span><span style="background-color:transparent;">demand a new independent and international investigation of 9/11.</span></span></div>
<div style="background-color:transparent;"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);"><span style="background-color:transparent;"><br></span></span></div><div style="background-color:transparent;"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);"><span style="background-color:transparent;">We invite all to attend. The conference is free and open to the public.</span></span></div>
<div style="background-color:transparent;"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);"><span style="background-color:transparent;">Thank you</span></span></div><div style="background-color:transparent;"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);"><span style="background-color:transparent;">Steve Francis </span></span></div>
<div style="background-color:transparent;"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);"><span style="background-color:transparent;">UC 9/11 Truth Urbana-Champaign email: <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:info@midwest911truth.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:info@midwest911truth.com">info@midwest911truth.com</a></span></span></div>
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</span></div><div style="background-color:transparent;"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;">News Gazette article:</span></div><div style="color:rgb(69,69,69);background-color:transparent;"><span style="background-color:transparent;"><h2 style="color:rgb(53,53,53);margin-bottom:0px;background-image:none;">
Sunday conference to focus on 9/11 attacks</h2></span></div><div style="color:rgb(69,69,69);"><span style="background-color:transparent;"><br></span></div></div></span></span></div></td></tr></tbody></table></div><div style="border:currentColor;color:rgb(53,53,53);font-size:16px;">
<span style="color:rgb(119,119,119);line-height:2.4em;"><div style="line-height:2.4em;"><span>Mon, 09/16/2013 - 7:40pm</span> | <span><a rel="nofollow" style="color: rgb(0, 51, 102); font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif; text-decoration: none; margin-bottom: 3px;" target="_blank" href="http://www.news-gazette.com/author/news-gazette">The News-Gazette</a></span></div>
</span><div><div style="margin:10px 0px 0px;"><div><div></div><div>URBANA — A conference planned this weekend in Urbana will explore issues surrounding the attacks on Sept. 11, 2001.</div><div>The Midwest 9/11 Truth Conference will be held at 1:30 p.m. Sunday in the auditorium of the Urbana Free Library, 210 W. Green St.</div>
<div>The event is sponsored by UC 9/11 Truth
Urbana-Champaign. (<span style="font-style:italic;">see Facebook</span>)</div><div>Admission is free and open to the public.</div><div>People who have been studying the events of Sept. 11 will talk about their perspectives on the
attacks.</div><div>"According to national and international polls, nearly 30 percent of the population is skeptical of the 'official' version of the events of 9/11," said Steve Francis of UC 9/11 Truth Champaign-Urbana. "The 9/11 Commission Report is viewed as a cover-up by a significant percentage of citizens and the 9/11 Truth Movement seeks to find answers to these questions about the real cause of those atrocities."</div>
<div>The conference will begin the presentation of a documentary film, "Explosive Evidence: Experts Speak Out."</div><div>James Fetzer, the founder of Scholars for 9/11 Truth, will comment on the documentary and report on scientific findings.</div>
<div>Wayne Madsen, editor of <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://waynemadsenreport.com/">WayneMadsenReport.com</a>, will provide an analysis of who may have been responsible for the attacks and why.</div><div>
Kevin Barrett, co-founder of the Muslim-Jewish-Christian Alliance for
9/11 Truth, will serve as moderator and will add his perspective on the
issues.</div><div>For more information on the event, call Fetzer at <a rel="nofollow" href="">608-354-4280</a>.</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">
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