<html><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>but i am supporting david green, as you should know from reading this channel.<br><br>Robert Naiman (from mobile device)</div><div><br>On Oct 19, 2013, at 6:53 PM, "David Johnson" <<a href="mailto:davidjohnson1451@comcast.net">davidjohnson1451@comcast.net</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
<div><strong><font face="Arial">Bob,</font></strong></div>
<div><strong><font face="Arial"></font></strong> </div>
<div><strong><font face="Arial">Your trying to play a losing game that the ruling
class has rigged.</font></strong></div>
<div><strong><font face="Arial"></font></strong> </div>
<div><strong><font face="Arial">What I mean is, so we have Kerry instead of
Hillary Clinton or Hegal instead of whoever, and Brennan instead of
Petreaus.</font></strong></div>
<div><strong><font face="Arial">What differences does it make
?</font></strong></div>
<div><strong><font face="Arial">You still have the war of terror and the continued
expansion and murders of the U.S. corporate empire.</font></strong></div>
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<div><strong><font face="Arial">Why don't you instead of tinkering around the
edges of the ruling class agenda, put your full time, energy and intelligence to
getting rid of ALL of these bastrads</font></strong> <strong><font face="Arial">by supporting real anti-war candidates like David Green and others
like him around the country ?</font></strong></div>
<div><strong><font face="Arial"></font></strong> </div>
<div><strong><font face="Arial">Don't fall for the corporate media ruling class
propoganda of ; " Oh he can't win " and " he / she has more money therefore
we should bet on a winner ".</font></strong></div>
<div><strong><font face="Arial">That is EXACTLEY what they want you to
do.</font></strong></div>
<div><strong><font face="Arial">Instead of looking at the democratic primaries as
a " horse race ", look at it as a negotiation strategy.</font></strong></div>
<div><strong><font face="Arial">That is, throw everything you have behind the
primary candidate that best represents your values and fight like hell for
them.</font></strong></div>
<div><strong><font face="Arial">If they don't win, then use all the support you
have generated behind OUR candidate and negotiate with the primary
winner.</font></strong></div>
<div><strong><font face="Arial">That is, " Maybe I will support you, but only IF
you support our values and issues ".</font></strong></div>
<div><strong><font face="Arial">To hell with the " good cop / bad cop " scenario
game the ruling class has been using against us for the last thirty years. With
disasterous results I may add.</font></strong></div>
<div><strong><font face="Arial"></font></strong> </div>
<div><strong><font face="Arial">There comes a time when people of principles MUST
stand their ground and fight.</font></strong></div>
<div><strong><font face="Arial">The corporate dems are just as much the problem as
the republicans. The corporate interests donate to both so that they always win
regardless of who is elected, and we continue to lose and things become worse
with each passing year. </font></strong></div>
<div><strong><font face="Arial"></font></strong> </div>
<div><strong><font face="Arial">It is long over due that we start refusing to fall
for their manipulative techniques of " good cop / bad cop " and begin to DEMAND
from the democratic party that they represent us AND that we recruit working
class people of principle to run for public office from the local to the
national.</font></strong></div>
<div><strong><font face="Arial"></font></strong> </div>
<div><strong><font face="Arial">Sincerely</font></strong></div>
<div><strong><font face="Arial"></font></strong> </div>
<div><strong><font face="Arial">David Johnson</font></strong></div>
<div><strong><font face="Arial"></font></strong> </div>
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<a title="naiman@justforeignpolicy.org" href="mailto:naiman@justforeignpolicy.org">Robert Naiman</a> </div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a title="cge@shout.net" href="mailto:cge@shout.net">C. G. Estabrook</a> </div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Cc:</b> <a title="peace-discuss@anti-war.net" href="mailto:peace-discuss@anti-war.net">Peace Discuss</a> </div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, October 19, 2013 7:47
PM</div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Peace-discuss] Pres. Obama:
Tap Sen. Ron Wyden to Head the NSA</div>
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<div dir="ltr">I think the fact that Brennan, not Petraeus, is now head of the
CIA is making a difference. Fewer civilians are getting killed in U.S. drone
strikes. It's been many months since TBIJ has recorded a civilian death in
Pakistan from a CIA drone strike.
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 7:32 PM, C. G. Estabrook <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:cge@shout.net" target="_blank"><a href="mailto:cge@shout.net">cge@shout.net</a></a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div style="WORD-WRAP: break-word">While the CIA has often been headed by
civilians. What difference did it make?<br>
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<div>On Oct 19, 2013, at 7:27 PM, Robert Naiman <<a href="mailto:naiman@justforeignpolicy.org" target="_blank"><a href="mailto:naiman@justforeignpolicy.org">naiman@justforeignpolicy.org</a></a>>
wrote:</div><br></div></div>
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<div dir="ltr">Did you know that since the NSA was founded in 1952, it's
never been headed by a civilian?
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<div>"But Binney said he would like to see the agency's management handed
over to a civilian. Since its founding in 1952, the NSA, part of the
Department of Defense, has always had a military leader."<br></div>
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<div><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/17/keith-alexander-nsa-whistle-blowers_n_4118294.html" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/17/keith-alexander-nsa-whistle-blowers_n_4118294.html">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/17/keith-alexander-nsa-whistle-blowers_n_4118294.html</a></a><br></div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 7:17 PM, C. G. Estabrook
<span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:cge@shout.net" target="_blank"><a href="mailto:cge@shout.net">cge@shout.net</a></a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class="gmail_quote">Put a liberal face on the same policies. It's the
Obama Way.<br><br><br>On Oct 19, 2013, at 3:36 PM, "Robert Naiman"
<<a href="mailto:noreply@list.moveon.org" target="_blank"><a href="mailto:noreply@list.moveon.org">noreply@list.moveon.org</a></a>> wrote:<br><br>> Dear C.
G. Estabrook,<br>><br>> Gen. Keith Alexander is stepping down as
head of the National Security Agency. Fresh, civilian leadership is
needed at the NSA to ensure that the NSA's surveillance activities fully
comply with the letter and spirit of the U.S. Constitution, the Bill of
Rights, and all U.S. laws.<br>><br>> Oregon Senator Ron Wyden, a
member of the Senate Intelligence Committee, has been a consistent and
vocal critic of blanket NSA surveillance of Americans that violates the
basic civil liberties guarantees of the U.S. Constitution and the Bill
of Rights. Senator Wyden is an ideal candidate to restore public
confidence in NSA compliance with the Constitution, the Bill of Rights,
and all U.S. laws.<br>><br>> Help us sway President Obama by
signing and sharing our petition:<br>><br>> <a href="http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/pres-obama-tap-sen-ron?mailing_id=16259&source=s.icn.em.cr&%3Br_by=1135580&r_by=2656067" target="_blank"><a href="http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/pres-obama-tap-sen-ron?mailing_id=16259&source=s.icn.em.cr&%3Br_by=1135580&r_by=2656067">http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/pres-obama-tap-sen-ron?mailing_id=16259&source=s.icn.em.cr&%3Br_by=1135580&r_by=2656067</a></a><br>><br>><br>>
Here's our rap to meet two predictable objections to our
campaign:<br>><br>> "It's not realistic." No-one's offering even
odds that Ron Wyden will be the next head of the NSA. The point is to
open political space by waging preemptive psychological warfare against
the idea that someone is disqualified from heading the NSA if they are a
civilian who believes that the Constitution and the Bill of Rights are
good law that apply to the national security state. Just as our campaign
for Jeff Sachs to be President of the World Bank opened political space
for the idea that the President of the World Bank can be a development
expert rather than a banker or a politician, so this campaign will open
political space for the idea that the head of the NSA can be a civilian
who believes in the rule of law.<br>><br>> "We need more than a
new person at the top to reform the NSA." This is beyond dispute. (Also
true, obviously, about the World Bank.) It should also be beyond dispute
that it's easier for people to grab onto an individual who represents an
idea than it is for them to grab onto a technical reform. If you
advocate that Elizabeth Warren head the Fed or the SEC, everyone knows
what you're talking about: cracking down on corruption in high finance.
This is about bringing the national security state into transparent
compliance with the rule of law.<br>><br>> Now that you understand
our strategy, can you help us advance it by signing and sharing our
petition?<br>><br>> <a href="http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/pres-obama-tap-sen-ron?mailing_id=16259&source=s.icn.em.cr&%3Br_by=1135580&r_by=2656067" target="_blank"><a href="http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/pres-obama-tap-sen-ron?mailing_id=16259&source=s.icn.em.cr&%3Br_by=1135580&r_by=2656067">http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/pres-obama-tap-sen-ron?mailing_id=16259&source=s.icn.em.cr&%3Br_by=1135580&r_by=2656067</a></a><br>><br>>
Thanks for all you do to help force the national security state to
transparently comply with the rule of law,<br>><br>> Robert
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