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<DIV><STRONG> From Wikipedia ;</STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG>"Ultra-leftism is often associated with leftist </STRONG><A
title=Sectarianism
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sectarianism"><STRONG>sectarianism</STRONG></A><STRONG>,
in which a socialist current might attempt to put its own short-term interests
before the long term interests of the working class and its
allies."</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>I don't know anyone locally that is guilty of
this</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>Also :</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>"The term originated in the 1920s in the German and Dutch
workers movements, originally referring to a Marxist current opposed to both
</FONT><A class=mw-redirect title=Bolshevism
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolshevism"><FONT
size=4>Bolshevism</FONT></A><FONT size=4> and </FONT><A title="Social democracy"
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democracy"><FONT size=4>social
democracy</FONT></A><FONT size=4>, and with some affinities with </FONT><A
title=Anarchism href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism"><FONT
size=4>anarchism</FONT></A><FONT size=4>. The ultra-left is defined particularly
by its breed of anti-authoritarian Marxism, which generally involves an
opposition to the </FONT><A title="State (polity)"
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_(polity)"><FONT
size=4>state</FONT></A><FONT size=4> and to </FONT><A title="State socialism"
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_socialism"><FONT size=4>state
socialism</FONT></A><FONT size=4>, as well as to </FONT><A class=mw-redirect
title="Parliamentary democracy"
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliamentary_democracy"><FONT
size=4>parliamentary democracy</FONT></A><FONT size=4> and </FONT><A
title="Wage labour" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wage_labour"><FONT
size=4>wage labour</FONT></A><FONT size=4>. In opposition to Bolshevism, the
ultra left generally places heavy emphasis upon the autonomy and
self-organisation of the Working class</FONT><FONT size=4>. "</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>I can agree with and support most of this
definition, with the exception of opposition to parliamentary
democracy.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>I think parliamentary democracy, ie. elections, can be a very
usefull tool that we should use as long as we are supporting REAL pro-Working
class candidates and NOT pro-corporate / anti-Working class candidates
like Obama and other corporate dems.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Too many people who say they are " Left " are actually
liberal democrats in denial, and defend the democratic party regardless of
their horrible anti-Working class / pro-corporate / pro-war / pro-austerity
policies. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>If you want to call me " ultra Left " : because I
criticize Obama and the corporate dems, then so be it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>That will be a label I will be PROUD to wear
!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Bob,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>I may disagree at times with some of your tactics, but in
general, I really admire your efforts over the years.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>So please don't take an occasional criticism or
questioning personal. No one is wrong or right all of the time and there is
always more than one way to " skin a cat ".</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>I hate that saying but I think you know what I
mean.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Keep plugging away. WE are all on the same team. WE may
disagree on tactics.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>But as far as I am concerned, as long as you don't sell your
soul and sell us out, I salute your efforts.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>David Johnson</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=naiman@justforeignpolicy.org
href="mailto:naiman@justforeignpolicy.org">Robert Naiman</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=ewj@pigsqq.org
href="mailto:ewj@pigsqq.org">E. Wayne Johnson 朱稳森</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A
title=peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net
href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net">Peace-discuss List</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, October 20, 2013 9:27
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Peace-discuss] 10,000
@MoveOn: Tap Sen. Ron Wyden to Head NSA</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr>I'm worried about landing a blow by any means possible.
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<DIV>In the run-up to the aborted US bombing of Syria, I personally led the
charge on the left to force Obama to go to Congress. The stupid, dogmahead,
no-brain ultra-left denounced me. "What difference does it make if Obama goes
to Congress? You should say no bombing under any circumstances whatsoever!"
But if Obama hadn't been forced to go to Congress, the bombing would not have
been stopped. Someone has to do the work of making a toehold. Obviously, the
stupid, no-brain, dogmahead ultra-left is not going to do it.</DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 7:27 PM, "E. Wayne Johnson 朱稳森"
<SPAN dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:ewj@pigsqq.org"
target=_blank>ewj@pigsqq.org</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">Did you know that since the NSA was
created in 1952 during McCarthyism?<BR><BR>END the NSA!!!!<BR><BR>The very
existence of the NSA is yet another example of the US government wiping its
butt<BR>with the US Constitution.!!!!<BR><BR>And you are worried about who
heads it up????
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<DIV class=h5><BR><BR><BR>On 10/21/13 6:35, Robert Naiman wrote:
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<DIV dir=ltr>Did you know that since the NSA was created in 1952 during
McCarthyism, it's never been headed by a civilian? And now here come
10,000 Americans, saying not only that the head of the NSA should be a
civilian, but that the civilian should be the top Congressional critic of
the NSA wiping its butt with the U.S. Constitution.
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<DIV><A
href="http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/pres-obama-tap-sen-ron?source=c.url&r_by=1135580"
target=_blank>http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/pres-obama-tap-sen-ron?source=c.url&r_by=1135580</A></DIV>
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<DIV><BR></DIV>-- <BR>Robert Naiman<BR>Policy Director<BR>Just Foreign
Policy<BR><A href="http://www.justforeignpolicy.org"
target=_blank>www.justforeignpolicy.org</A><BR><A
href="mailto:naiman@justforeignpolicy.org"
target=_blank>naiman@justforeignpolicy.org</A><BR></DIV>
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