<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt">Well said, Rohn, a peaceful response from a pro-peace person. David Green hasn't been part of the personal attackers, and his rhetoric against things he feels passionate about (e g Palestine-Israel) has become more reasoned and less vitriolic since he thru his hat in the ring for US House. I don't think there's a thing in his platform, nor in his recent conversations on this list that reasonable persons remaining on this list could object for any reason. <div><br></div> <div style="font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Rohn Koester <rohnkoester@gmail.com><br> <b><span
style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Karen Aram <karenaram@hotmail.com>; "peace-discuss@anti-war.net" <peace-discuss@anti-war.net> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Friday, December 27, 2013 8:43 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Press release<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container"><br>Karen, I have to admit that I wasn't sure to whom you were referring<br>when you wrote this. I suppose it was meant to be Ya'aqov? Just as a<br>matter of fact, I've talked with probably two dozen people in the<br>community who used to be members of AWARE but say they were driven<br>away by rude, disruptive, calculated behavior on the part of Carl,<br>Wayne, and/or David. These are unsolicited accounts, usually told to<br>me when I've mentioned AWARE, and the general attitude of the accounts<br>has been corroborated by several people who are still active members<br>of
AWARE. Much of this has reminded me of the sort of<br>avoidance/compensation behavior that families of alcoholics engage in.<br><br>I don't think anyone would claim the peace-discuss listserv really has<br>many discussions at this point, not because there aren't differences<br>of opinion but because the likelihood of these differences being given<br>any sort of respectful treatment seems pretty low. I wonder if someone<br>could describe the peace-discuss listserv's standards of conduct and<br>how they're enforced. For instance, Wayne's message about Ya'aqov from<br>a few hours ago made no attempt to address the political subject under<br>discussion, and it seemed quite abusive in tone. Should this sort of<br>comment be given the same access to the listserv as comments with<br>substance?<br><br>I'm glad to have this conversation in person if it's better for<br>everyone -- which bar do you all plan to be meeting at this
Sunday?<br><br>Thanks,<br>Rohn<br><br>On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 4:58 PM, Karen Aram <<a ymailto="mailto:karenaram@hotmail.com" href="mailto:karenaram@hotmail.com">karenaram@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>> At one time they followed the below, today they simply criticize, agitate,<br>> disrupt, and/or slander in an effort to discredit those who are involved in<br>> attempting to change the system. Somehow insisting they can do or think<br>> better. When given the opportunity to do, they don't. It then becomes<br>> obvious who and what they are, time and time again they will go after<br>> individuals and groups and its always the same, instead of working to change<br>> whats wrong they go after those that are, by wearing them down or just<br>> boring them to death. It's one of those things you can't really discribe,<br>> but you know it when you see or hear it.<br>><br>> The technical term:<br>><br>> An agent
provocateur (French for "inciting agent") is an undercover agent<br>> who acts to entice another person to commit an illegal or rash act or<br>> falsely implicate them in partaking in an illegal act. An agent provocateur<br>> may be employed by the police or other entity to discredit or harm another<br>> group (e.g., peaceful protest or demonstration) by provoking them to commit<br>> an act - thus, undermining the protest or demonstration as whole.<br>> To prevent infiltration by agents provocateurs,[1] the organizers of large<br>> or controversial assemblies may deploy and coordinate demonstration<br>> marshals, also called stewards.[2][3]<br>><br>><br>><br>><br>> ________________________________<br>> Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2013 15:31:38 -0600<br>> From: <a ymailto="mailto:yaaqovz@gmail.com" href="mailto:yaaqovz@gmail.com">yaaqovz@gmail.com</a><br>> To: <a ymailto="mailto:davegreen84@yahoo.com"
href="mailto:davegreen84@yahoo.com">davegreen84@yahoo.com</a><br>> CC: <a ymailto="mailto:peace-discuss@anti-war.net" href="mailto:peace-discuss@anti-war.net">peace-discuss@anti-war.net</a>;<br>> <a ymailto="mailto:discuss-communitycourtwatch@lists.chambana.net" href="mailto:discuss-communitycourtwatch@lists.chambana.net">discuss-communitycourtwatch@lists.chambana.net</a>; <a ymailto="mailto:peace@lists.chambana.net" href="mailto:peace@lists.chambana.net">peace@lists.chambana.net</a><br>> Subject: Re: [Peace] Press release<br>><br>><br>> David Green,<br>><br>><br>> Indeed, the meeting I referred to was at CPL a panel you were on. My<br>> specific question to Dr Abu Al-Aish at UFL, was about Vittorio Arrigoni and<br>> his assassination by Hamas. The level of your purposeful misquoting my<br>> statements at that and other meetings critically disappoints me. If this is<br>> what an academic does when getting into
politics, don't we have such<br>> politicians already<br>><br>><br>> Your ethnic profiling of me is indicative of the depth you would apply to<br>> someone challenging your standpoint. You would think, it's your campaign<br>> related need to tarnish one's image and trivialize her/his comments. After<br>> all, you are trying so hard to show you are concerned and involved with your<br>> potential voters (yet in the face of disagreements, you do whatever it takes<br>> to defend your ticket, it's a mere technicality to pass over a hurdle).<br>> Did you really need to embed your reply with offensive remarks, character<br>> assassination attempts? isn’t Rush Limbaugh an excellent spokesperson for<br>> doing that already?<br>><br>> And you haven’t answered yet my question: what you considered Palestinians<br>> (?) other than by implying they are those people that Israelis have been<br>> been
horrible with. Mind you, you propose no change about that,<br>><br>><br>> Ya'aqov<br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>> _______________________________________________ Peace mailing list<br>> <a ymailto="mailto:Peace@lists.chambana.net" href="mailto:Peace@lists.chambana.net">Peace@lists.chambana.net</a> <a href="https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace" target="_blank">https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace</a><br>><br>> _______________________________________________<br>> Peace-discuss mailing list<br>> <a ymailto="mailto:Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" href="mailto:Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net">Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a><br>> <a
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