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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">carol did not make points with the
party when she turned the jail program into a justice program. in
fact she made some pretty serious enemies. and anyone who depends
on rahm emanuel and madigan for everything will serve them, not
us<br>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">"May this be the worst day of your life".
Old Irish blessing.</pre>
On 2/15/2014 6:43 PM, C. G. Estabrook wrote:<br>
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<p>Thanks for your response, Mort.</p>
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<div>Objections to Obama for his crimes of commission
(especially military) and omission (especially economic)
seem to me quite appropriate, up to and including
impeachment - and trial for war crimes. To dismiss those
objections as principally the product of racism is at best
disingenuous - even if there are racists who object to
him, for whatever reasons.<br>
<br>
Obviously Illinois (and the US) needs a general shift of
the tax burden to the wealthy (even a progressive income
tax is not adequate) - but that’s not under discussion at
all. A Keynesian argument can be made for a general
corporate tax cut (as the state Democrats propose) in
preference to the selective cuts suggested by “enterprise
zones,” which lead to beggar-thy-neighbor competition
among jurisdictions. But it would have to be accompanied
by substantial taxes elsewhere - Tobin taxes and wealth
taxes - and no one is suggesting that.<br>
<br>
In spite of her vigorous self-promotion, I do not think
that Carol in the legislature would vote any differently
from the way Rosenberg would. From her past performance, I
would expect her to work to rise within the Democratic
party establishment, rather than oppose it. <br>
<br>
I think we’re dealing here with what Freud called “the
narcissism of small differences”: it’s been described as
“the need to find, and even exaggerate, differences in
order to preserve a feeling of separateness and self.”<br>
<br>
Chomsky points out that that’s functional for the entire
political system: “The smart way to keep people passive
and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of
acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within
that spectrum - even encourage the more critical and
dissident views. That gives people the sense that there's
free thinking going on, while all the time the
presuppositions of the system are being reinforced by the
limits put on the range of the debate.”<br>
<br>
The differences that David Johnson noted aren’t great. It
seems to me that many earnest local liberals of our
acquaintance are colluding (as the psychoanalysts might
say) with Carol in the accentuation of those differences.
Perhaps they're acting from the despair that led American
liberals to substitute identity politics for class
politics under the attack of neoliberalism, so that
typically Democrats today are about where the moderate
Republicans of our youth were. The promise of hope and
change precisely covers despair and stasis.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Regards, Carl</div>
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<div>On Feb 11, 2014, at 11:40 AM, Brussel Morton K.
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:mkbrussel@comcast.net">mkbrussel@comcast.net</a>>
wrote:</div>
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<div>Carl,</div>
<div><br>
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<div>An interesting, even and informative, response…
My thoughts:
<div><br>
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<div>It is more than possible that <b>some</b> of
the objectors to Obama do have a racist agenda.
It is not clear (to me) that Carol Ammons
believes that <b>all</b> objections to Obamas
reign are racist, as you seem to imply.
Pertinent questions would be to ask what Carol
thinks about Obama's health plans (as opposed to
a universal medicare-like (or other single payer
plan), whether she supported Obama's surge into
Afghanistan, about his drone war on supposed
terrorists (not to speak about American
citizens), about his implied compromises(?) on
social security, about his defense of the NSA,
about his defense of the Patriot Act, about his
not closing down Guantanamo, about his
persecution of Snowden, Assange, Manning, about
his continuing imperialistic actions (Cuba,
Venezuela, …), about the military budget, etc.,
etc. Those are not Primary issues, but they
are primary issues.</div>
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</div>
<div>It seems to me that the differences David
Johnson noted—how large a minimum wage ought to
be, what the corporate tax rate ought to be— are
not trivial in the context of this state
primary, but are clues to the mental approaches
the candidates really have. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>My impression is that one candidate is the
Democratic establishment candidate with money,
one presumably backed by Madigan; the other is
not. Significant?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Carl's last paragraph, first sentence, is
less than convincing (to me), likely wrong
speculation.</div>
<div><br>
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<div>--mkb</div>
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<div>On Feb 11, 2014, at 9:01 AM, C. G.
Estabrook wrote:</div>
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<blockquote type="cite">Jenifer--<br>
<br>
Contrary to your periphrastic imaginings,
I’ve seen no indication that the Democratic
candidates for the 103rd IL House seat
differ on abortion: it’s not an issue in the
primary. <br>
<br>
The fact is that there are few if any issues
in the campaign - and that’s the problem. A
local political website wrote, “…it is
important to remember that Rosenberg and
Ammons are largely the same on the issues –
something else that came out during last
week’s debate." <br>
<br>
David Johnson, an acute observer, found two
"major differences" in their debate: the
nature of corporate tax cuts, and the dollar
amount of a minimum wage rise. I suggested
these differences are minimal - if they
exist at all.<br>
<br>
I’ve mentioned my dismay at hearing Carol
suggest that opposition to the policies of
the Obama administration is racist: I think
on the contrary that there are excellent
reasons to oppose Obama. Her recent
contretemps with the mayor of Champaign
suggested that opposition to her is racist.
Surely her supporters are not arguing that
she should be elected because she’s
African-American.<br>
<br>
We are famously called upon to be “a nation
where [candidates] will not be judged by the
color of their skin, but by the content of
their character” - and it’s here that
questions have been raised about her cutting
corners in the advancement of her electoral
career.<br>
<br>
On her record and her position on the
issues, I see little reason to think that
she will vote as anything other than a
reliable member of the pro-business
Democratic majority in the Illinois House
(as would her opponent) - a majority even
less progressive than the governor. I’d
rather vote for someone - a Green, say - who
would oppose that anti-democratic majority:
who would vote for paying the state bills by
taxes on wealth, who would vote for a state
single-payer system, etc. But Carol is part
of a system that ensures that that is not
being offered. <br>
<br>
Regards, Carl<br>
<br>
<br>
On Feb 11, 2014, at 2:22 AM, Jenifer
Cartwright <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:jencart13@yahoo.com">jencart13@yahoo.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">The principal
objector's thinking about women's issues
is well known, so regardless of the
excuses he's come up with, I'm guessing
the real reason is that Carol Ammons
supports Planned Parenthood.<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">From: Brussel Morton
K. <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:mkbrussel@comcast.net">mkbrussel@comcast.net</a>><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">To: C. G. Estabrook
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:carl@newsfromneptune.com">carl@newsfromneptune.com</a>>
<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">Cc: "Barrett, James
R" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:jrbarret@uiuc.edu">jrbarret@uiuc.edu</a>>;
Peace-discuss <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a>>;
sf-core <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:sf-core@yahoogroups.com">sf-core@yahoogroups.com</a>>;
"<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:occupycu@lists.chambana.net">occupycu@lists.chambana.net</a>"
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:occupycu@lists.chambana.net">occupycu@lists.chambana.net</a>>
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<blockquote type="cite">Sent: Thursday,
February 6, 2014 3:01 PM<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">Subject: Re:
[Peace-discuss] [sf-core] Re: [OccupyCU]
AMMONS vs. ROSENBERG<span
class="Apple-tab-span"
style="white-space:pre;"> </span>Debate
Results<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">I find it curious
that you appear to be putting all "
progressive, ostentatiously pro-labor
viable Black candidate(s)" into the same
bag (as M. Obama). What do you have
against Carol Ammons (as against her
opponents) aside from the fact that she
has the same color as Obama (which could
mislead us in our choice). <br>
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<blockquote type="cite">--mkb<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">On Feb 6, 2014, at
12:33 PM, C. G. Estabrook wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">The national
Democrats offered "a progressive,
ostentatiously pro-labor viable Black
candidate who is willing to speak in
Terms of class inequality" for
president, and his mendacity got us an
administration of assassination and
austerity. <br>
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</blockquote>
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<blockquote type="cite">Doesn't that
suggest that we should ask what
"progressive, ostentatiously pro-labor
viable Black candidate[s]" on the local
level actually propose, rather than
voting for them out of debased identity
politics?<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">--CGE<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">On Feb 6, 2014, at
12:22 PM, Barrett, James R <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:jrbarret@uiuc.edu">jrbarret@uiuc.edu</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">Very
discouraging. I doubt anyone agrees
with all of her<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">views, but we
have a progressive, ostentatiously <br>
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<blockquote type="cite">pro-labor viable
Black candidate who is willing to
speak in <br>
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<blockquote type="cite">Terms of class
inequality and we're supposed<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">to invest our
limited time into attacking her?
That's sick.<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">Jim Barrett<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">________________________________________<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">From: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:sf-core@yahoogroups.com">sf-core@yahoogroups.com</a>
[<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:sf-core@yahoogroups.com">sf-core@yahoogroups.com</a>]
on behalf of C. G. Estabrook [<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:carl@newsfromneptune.com">carl@newsfromneptune.com</a>]<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">Sent: Thursday,
February 06, 2014 9:39 AM<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">To: David
Johnson<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">Cc: sf-core;
Peace-discuss; <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:occupycu@lists.chambana.net">occupycu@lists.chambana.net</a><br>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">Subject: Re:
[sf-core] Re: [OccupyCU] AMMONS vs.
ROSENBERG Debate Results [1
Attachment]<br>
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from C. G. Estabrook included below]<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">As you know,
"enterprise zones" are a neoliberal
technique, originally proposed by
'supply-side' economists. Their
current proponents acknowledge
successful criticism by looking for
newer, more marketable names - e.g.,
"technology zones."<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">It's not clear
that states and municipalities should
be competing to give breaks to
corporate entities on the threat that
they might move away and take jobs -
or on the promise to bring them. See
e.g., Durl Kruse' letter (attached)
regarding the Champaign City Council's
"Tax Increment Financing District"
that will give Kraft "a $3.6 million
tax subsidy to build a new warehouse."<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">Durl writes,
"One must wonder if this TIF project
represents the flexing of corporate
muscle by threatening the community
'not to build if not approved,' and
when given the opportunity, to
directly manipulate TIF laws for
corporate gain at taxpayers' expense."<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">Clearly, the
supposed benefits of such a program
should generalize. You can make an
argument for "an across the board
corporate tax cut" to promote trade
and employment. Such business taxes
should be replaced with taxes on
concentrated wealth and speculation -
i.e., taxes on investable assets, and
Tobin taxes.<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">Given the
entrenched (non-democratic) political
power of capital, wealth taxes and
Tobin taxes are not on the horizon in
Illinois, unfortunately. (The
Democrats should of course be opposed
on this point.) The best we can do in
the near future seems to be a
progressive income tax and social
subsidies, including perhaps the state
single-payer system that you've been
working for.<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">Regards, CGE<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">On Feb 5, 2014,
at 10:21 PM, David Johnson <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:davidjohnson1451@comcast.net">davidjohnson1451@comcast.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
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is that Rosenberg supports an across
the board corporate tax cut with no
conditions.<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">Carol Ammons "
Technology Zone Program " gives a
tax break to a company ONLY if a
company ;<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">1) increases
employment by the greater of 10 % of
its current workforce or a minimum
of 3 new full-time employees<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">2) Pays wages
of 20 % or more above the median
income of Champaign County<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">Not to mention
that Rosenberg is an attorney who
works for Carle Clinic and takes
poor and elderly people to court for
not paying hospital bills.<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">Carol has been
a community activist for over a
decade, opposing the : Police,
States Attorney and other local
officials / vested interests at
times when necessary in the pursuit
of social justice.<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">Again, the
choice is clear to me who would be
the better advocate for Working
people in the 103rd District<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">From: C. G.
Estabrook<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">To: David
Johnson<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">Cc:
<"Undisclosed-Recipient:;"@<a
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href="http://mail0.frost.chambana.net">mail0.frost.chambana.net</a>><br>
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<blockquote type="cite">Sent:
Wednesday, February 05, 2014 9:29 PM<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">Subject: Re:
[OccupyCU] AMMONS vs. ROSENBERG
Debate Results<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">Didn't Carol
support 'enterprise zones' (under
another name), which are even more
substantial corporate tax cats - for
favored corporations?<br>
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2014, at 9:24 PM, David Johnson <<a
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returned from the Ammons vs.
Rosenberg debate, for the Illinois
103rd State Rep Democratic Primary
race.<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">The major
differences between the two
candidates were ;<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">Rosenberg
SUPPORTS cutting corporate taxes
and OPPOSES the $ 15.00 per hour
minimum wage.<br>
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15.00 per hour minimum wage.<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">Rosenberg
also stated that Carol Ammons
experience in local government on
the County Board and the Urbana
City Council does NOT make her
more qualified than him in terms
of experience.<br>
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Springfield is a different BEAST
than local government and I am
more qualified to deal with that."<br>
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difference could not be any
clearer to me.<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">What was
also interesting was that I
submitted TWO questions for the
candidates, first via e-mail
several days before the debate and
early on at the debate.<br>
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question was asked !<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">1) Would you
be willing to co-sponsor the
current House Bill to enact a
universal health care system in
Illinois ( H.B. 942 ).<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">2) Would you
co-sponsor House Bill H.B. 3754
that would dissolve the Illinois
Charter School Commision<br>
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the Moderators avoided asking
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Johnson<br>
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