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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">" In spite of 
her vigorous self-promotion, I do not think that Carol in the legislature would 
vote any differently from the way Rosenberg would. From her past performance, I 
would expect her to work to rise within the Democratic party establishment, 
rather than oppose it."</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">What evidence 
do you have to support the above statement Carl ?</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">Her track 
record for the last ten years has been one of community activism, which more 
often than not, involved fighting and opposing the States Attorney, The Police, 
and other officials and vested interests.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">That is a FACT 
you ignore.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial><FONT size=3 
face="Times New Roman"></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">If there is so 
little difference between Rosenberg and Carol Ammons, then why is the local 
Democratic Party establishment and the State Democratic Party establishment 
including Mike Madigan and Rahm Emanuelle fighting so hard to prevent Carol from 
being elected. Including Madigan sending a paid Staffer this last week to help 
Rosenberg ?</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial><FONT size=3 
face="Times New Roman"></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">I would support 
Carol if ONLY the above were the case, and not including her decade of local 
activism.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial><FONT size=3 
face="Times New Roman"></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">I KNOW who my 
enemies are Carl, and Mike Madigan, Rahm Emanuelle, et al, are DEFINTELY  
servents of the corporate neo-liberal agenda.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial><FONT size=3 
face="Times New Roman"></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">David 
Johnson</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV 
  style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> 
  <A title=astridjb@comcast.net href="mailto:astridjb@comcast.net">Astrid 
  Berkson</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=carl@newsfromneptune.com 
  href="mailto:carl@newsfromneptune.com">C. G. Estabrook</A> ; <A 
  title=mkbrussel@comcast.net href="mailto:mkbrussel@comcast.net">Brussel Morton 
  K.</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=jrbarret@uiuc.edu 
  href="mailto:jrbarret@uiuc.edu">Barrett, James R</A> ; <A 
  title=peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net 
  href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net">Peace-discuss</A> ; <A 
  title=jencart13@yahoo.com href="mailto:jencart13@yahoo.com">Jenifer 
  Cartwright</A> ; <A title=sf-core@yahoogroups.com 
  href="mailto:sf-core@yahoogroups.com">sf-core</A> ; <A 
  title=occupycu@lists.chambana.net 
  href="mailto:occupycu@lists.chambana.net">occupycu@lists.chambana.net</A> 
  </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, February 15, 2014 10:23 
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [OccupyCU] [Peace-discuss] 
  [sf-core] Re: AMMONS vs. ROSENBERG Debate Results</DIV>
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  <DIV class=moz-cite-prefix>carol did not make points with the party when she 
  turned the jail program into a justice program. in fact she made some pretty 
  serious enemies. and anyone who depends on rahm emanuel  and madigan for 
  everything will serve them, not us<BR><PRE class=moz-signature cols="72">"May this be the worst day of your life". 
Old Irish blessing.</PRE>On 2/15/2014 6:43 PM, C. G. Estabrook 
wrote:<BR></DIV>
  <BLOCKQUOTE cite=mid:E2F8A092-E956-4350-8207-194B10F720FC@newsfromneptune.com 
  type="cite"><SPAN> </SPAN> 
    <DIV id=ygrp-text>
    <P>Thanks for your response, Mort.</P>
    <DIV><BR></DIV>
    <DIV>Objections to Obama for his crimes of commission (especially military) 
    and omission (especially economic) seem to me quite appropriate, up to and 
    including impeachment - and trial for war crimes. To dismiss those 
    objections as principally the product of racism is at best disingenuous 
    - even if there are racists who object to him, for whatever 
    reasons.<BR><BR>Obviously Illinois (and the US) needs a general shift of the 
    tax burden to the wealthy (even a progressive income tax is not adequate) - 
    but that’s not under discussion at all. A Keynesian argument can be made for 
    a general corporate tax cut (as the state Democrats propose) in 
    preference to the selective cuts suggested by “enterprise zones,” which lead 
    to beggar-thy-neighbor competition among jurisdictions. But it would have to 
    be accompanied by substantial taxes elsewhere - Tobin taxes and wealth taxes 
    - and no one is suggesting that.<BR><BR>In spite of her vigorous 
    self-promotion, I do not think that Carol in the legislature would vote any 
    differently from the way Rosenberg would. From her past performance, I would 
    expect her to work to rise within the Democratic party establishment, 
    rather than oppose it. <BR><BR>I think we’re dealing here with what 
    Freud called “the narcissism of small differences”: it’s been described as 
    “the need to find, and even exaggerate, differences in order to preserve a 
    feeling of separateness and self.”<BR><BR>Chomsky points out that that’s 
    functional for the entire political system: “The smart way to keep people 
    passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable 
    opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum - 
    even encourage the more critical and dissident views. That gives people 
    the sense that there's free thinking going on, while all the time the 
    presuppositions of the system are being reinforced by the limits put on the 
    range of the debate.”<BR><BR>The differences that David Johnson noted aren’t 
    great. It seems to me that many earnest local liberals of our acquaintance 
    are colluding (as the psychoanalysts might say) with Carol in the 
    accentuation of those differences. Perhaps they're acting from the despair 
    that led American liberals to substitute identity politics for class 
    politics under the attack of neoliberalism, so that typically Democrats 
    today are about where the moderate Republicans of our youth were. The 
    promise of hope and change precisely covers despair and stasis.</DIV>
    <DIV><BR></DIV>
    <DIV>Regards, Carl</DIV>
    <DIV><BR></DIV>
    <DIV><BR></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <DIV>
    <DIV>On Feb 11, 2014, at 11:40 AM, Brussel Morton K. <<A 
    href="mailto:mkbrussel@comcast.net" moz="true">mkbrussel@comcast.net</A>> 
    wrote:</DIV><BR class=Apple-interchange-newline>
    <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">
      <DIV>
      <DIV>Carl,</DIV>
      <DIV><BR></DIV>
      <DIV>An interesting, even and informative, response… My thoughts: 
      <DIV><BR></DIV>
      <DIV>It is more than possible that <B>some</B> of the objectors to Obama 
      do have a racist agenda. It is not clear (to me) that Carol Ammons 
      believes that <B>all</B> objections to Obamas reign are racist, as you 
      seem to imply. Pertinent questions would be to ask what Carol thinks about 
      Obama's health plans (as opposed to a universal medicare-like (or other 
      single payer plan), whether she supported Obama's surge into Afghanistan, 
      about his drone war on supposed terrorists (not to speak about American 
      citizens), about his implied compromises(?) on social security, about his 
      defense of the NSA, about his defense of the Patriot Act, about his not 
      closing down Guantanamo, about his persecution of Snowden, Assange, 
      Manning, about his continuing imperialistic actions (Cuba, Venezuela, …), 
       about the military budget, etc., etc.   Those are not Primary 
      issues, but they are primary issues.</DIV>
      <DIV><BR></DIV>
      <DIV>It seems to me that the differences David Johnson noted—how large a 
      minimum wage ought to be, what the corporate tax rate ought to be— are not 
      trivial in the context of this state primary, but are clues to the mental 
      approaches the candidates really have. </DIV>
      <DIV><BR></DIV>
      <DIV>My impression is that one candidate is the Democratic establishment 
      candidate with money, one presumably backed by Madigan; the other is not. 
      Significant?</DIV>
      <DIV><BR></DIV>
      <DIV>Carl's last paragraph, first sentence, is less than convincing (to 
      me), likely wrong speculation.</DIV>
      <DIV><BR></DIV>
      <DIV>--mkb</DIV>
      <DIV><BR></DIV>
      <DIV><BR></DIV>
      <DIV><BR></DIV>
      <DIV>
      <DIV>
      <DIV>On Feb 11, 2014, at 9:01 AM, C. G. Estabrook wrote:</DIV><BR 
      class=Apple-interchange-newline>
      <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">Jenifer--<BR><BR>Contrary to your periphrastic 
        imaginings, I’ve seen no indication that the Democratic candidates for 
        the 103rd IL House seat differ on abortion: it’s not an issue in the 
        primary.  <BR><BR>The fact is that there are few if any issues in 
        the campaign - and that’s the problem. A local political website wrote, 
        “…it is important to remember that Rosenberg and Ammons are largely the 
        same on the issues – something else that came out during last week’s 
        debate." <BR><BR>David Johnson, an acute observer, found two "major 
        differences" in their debate: the nature of corporate tax cuts, and the 
        dollar amount of a minimum wage rise. I suggested these differences are 
        minimal - if they exist at all.<BR><BR>I’ve mentioned my dismay at 
        hearing Carol suggest that opposition to the policies of the Obama 
        administration is racist: I think on the contrary that there are 
        excellent reasons to oppose Obama. Her recent contretemps with the mayor 
        of Champaign suggested that opposition to her is racist. Surely her 
        supporters are not arguing that she should be elected because she’s 
        African-American.<BR><BR>We are famously called upon to be “a nation 
        where [candidates] will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by 
        the content of their character” - and it’s here that questions have been 
        raised about her cutting corners in the advancement of her electoral 
        career.<BR><BR>On her record and her position on the issues, I see 
        little reason to think that she will vote as anything other than a 
        reliable member of the pro-business Democratic majority in the Illinois 
        House (as would her opponent) - a majority even less progressive than 
        the governor. I’d rather vote for someone - a Green, say - who would 
        oppose that anti-democratic majority: who would vote for paying the 
        state bills by taxes on wealth, who would vote for a state single-payer 
        system, etc. But Carol is part of a system that ensures that that is not 
        being offered.   <BR><BR>Regards, Carl<BR><BR><BR>On Feb 11, 
        2014, at 2:22 AM, Jenifer Cartwright <<A 
        href="mailto:jencart13@yahoo.com" moz="true">jencart13@yahoo.com</A>> 
        wrote:<BR><BR>
        <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">The principal objector's thinking about 
          women's issues is well known, so regardless of the excuses he's come 
          up with, I'm guessing the real reason is that Carol Ammons supports 
          Planned Parenthood.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR><BR>
        <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">From: Brussel Morton K. <<A 
          href="mailto:mkbrussel@comcast.net" 
          moz="true">mkbrussel@comcast.net</A>><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
        <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">To: C. G. Estabrook <<A 
          href="mailto:carl@newsfromneptune.com" 
          moz="true">carl@newsfromneptune.com</A>> <BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
        <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">Cc: "Barrett, James R" <<A 
          href="mailto:jrbarret@uiuc.edu" moz="true">jrbarret@uiuc.edu</A>>; 
          Peace-discuss <<A href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" 
          moz="true">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</A>>; sf-core <<A 
          href="mailto:sf-core@yahoogroups.com" 
          moz="true">sf-core@yahoogroups.com</A>>; "<A 
          href="mailto:occupycu@lists.chambana.net" 
          moz="true">occupycu@lists.chambana.net</A>" <<A 
          href="mailto:occupycu@lists.chambana.net" 
          moz="true">occupycu@lists.chambana.net</A>> <BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
        <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">Sent: Thursday, February 6, 2014 3:01 
        PM<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
        <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [sf-core] Re: 
          [OccupyCU] AMMONS vs. ROSENBERG<SPAN style="WHITE-SPACE: pre" class=Apple-tab-span> </SPAN>Debate 
          Results<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
        <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
        <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">I find it curious that you appear to be 
          putting all " progressive, ostentatiously pro-labor viable Black 
          candidate(s)" into the same bag (as M. Obama). What do you have 
          against Carol Ammons (as against her opponents) aside from the fact 
          that she has the same color as Obama (which could mislead us in our 
          choice).  <BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
        <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
        <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">--mkb<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
        <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
        <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">On Feb 6, 2014, at 12:33 PM, C. G. Estabrook 
          wrote:<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
        <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
        <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">
          <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">The national Democrats offered "a 
            progressive, ostentatiously pro-labor viable Black candidate who is 
            willing to speak in Terms of class inequality" for president, and 
            his mendacity got us an administration of assassination and 
            austerity. <BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
        <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">
          <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
        <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">
          <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">Doesn't that suggest that we should ask what 
            "progressive, ostentatiously pro-labor viable Black candidate[s]" on 
            the local level actually propose, rather than voting for them out of 
            debased identity politics?<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
        <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">
          <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
        <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">
          <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">--CGE<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
        <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">
          <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
        <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">
          <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">On Feb 6, 2014, at 12:22 PM, Barrett, James 
            R <<A href="mailto:jrbarret@uiuc.edu" 
            moz="true">jrbarret@uiuc.edu</A>> 
wrote:<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
        <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">
          <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
        <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">
          <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">
            <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">Very discouraging. I doubt anyone agrees 
              with all of her<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
        <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">
          <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">
            <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">views, but we have a progressive, 
              ostentatiously <BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
        <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">
          <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">
            <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">pro-labor viable Black candidate who is 
              willing to speak in <BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
        <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">
          <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">
            <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">Terms of class inequality and we're 
              supposed<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
        <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">
          <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">
            <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">to invest our limited time into attacking 
              her? That's sick.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
        <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">
          <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">
            <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
        <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">
          <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">
            <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">Jim 
        Barrett<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
        <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">
          <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">
            <BLOCKQUOTE 
              type="cite">________________________________________<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
        <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">
          <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">
            <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">From: <A 
              href="mailto:sf-core@yahoogroups.com" 
              moz="true">sf-core@yahoogroups.com</A> [<A 
              href="mailto:sf-core@yahoogroups.com" 
              moz="true">sf-core@yahoogroups.com</A>] on behalf of C. G. 
              Estabrook [<A href="mailto:carl@newsfromneptune.com" 
              moz="true">carl@newsfromneptune.com</A>]<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
        <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">
          <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">
            <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2014 9:39 
              AM<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
        <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">
          <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">
            <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">To: David 
        Johnson<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
        <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">
          <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">
            <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">Cc: sf-core; Peace-discuss; <A 
              href="mailto:occupycu@lists.chambana.net" 
              moz="true">occupycu@lists.chambana.net</A><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
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            <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">Subject: Re: [sf-core] Re: [OccupyCU] 
              AMMONS vs. ROSENBERG Debate Results [1 
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            <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">As you know, "enterprise zones" are a 
              neoliberal technique, originally proposed by 'supply-side' 
              economists. Their current proponents acknowledge successful 
              criticism by looking for newer, more marketable names - e.g., 
              "technology zones."<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
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            <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">It's not clear that states and 
              municipalities should be competing to give breaks to corporate 
              entities on the threat that they might move away and take jobs - 
              or on the promise to bring them. See e.g., Durl Kruse' letter 
              (attached) regarding the Champaign City Council's "Tax Increment 
              Financing District" that will give Kraft "a $3.6 million tax 
              subsidy to build a new 
        warehouse."<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
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            <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">Durl writes, "One must wonder if this TIF 
              project represents the flexing of corporate muscle by threatening 
              the community 'not to build if not approved,' and when given the 
              opportunity, to directly manipulate TIF laws for corporate gain at 
              taxpayers' expense."<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
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            <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">Clearly, the supposed benefits of such a 
              program should generalize. You can make an argument for "an across 
              the board corporate tax cut" to promote trade and employment. Such 
              business taxes should be replaced with taxes on concentrated 
              wealth and speculation - i.e., taxes on investable assets, and 
              Tobin taxes.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
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            <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">Given the entrenched (non-democratic) 
              political power of capital, wealth taxes and Tobin taxes are not 
              on the horizon in Illinois, unfortunately. (The Democrats should 
              of course be opposed on this point.) The best we can do in the 
              near future seems to be a progressive income tax and social 
              subsidies, including perhaps the state single-payer system that 
              you've been working for.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
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            <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">Regards, 
        CGE<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
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            <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">On Feb 5, 2014, at 10:21 PM, David Johnson 
              <<A href="mailto:davidjohnson1451@comcast.net" 
              moz="true">davidjohnson1451@comcast.net</A>> 
            wrote:<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
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              <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">The differnce is that Rosenberg supports 
                an across the board corporate tax cut with no 
              conditions.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
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              <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">Carol Ammons " Technology Zone Program " 
                gives a tax break to a company ONLY if a company 
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              <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">1) increases employment by the greater 
                of 10 % of its current workforce or a minimum of 3 new full-time 
                employees<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
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              <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">2) Pays wages of 20 % or more above the 
                median income of Champaign 
          County<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
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              <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">3) Employ a minimum of 5 full-time 
                employees<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
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              <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">Not to mention that Rosenberg is an 
                attorney who works for Carle Clinic and takes poor and elderly 
                people to court for not paying hospital 
            bills.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
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              <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">Carol has been a community activist for 
                over a decade, opposing the : Police, States Attorney and other 
                local officials / vested interests at times when necessary in 
                the pursuit of social 
          justice.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
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              <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">Again, the choice is clear to me who 
                would be the better advocate for Working people in the 103rd 
                District<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
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              <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">David 
          Johnson<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
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              <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">----- Original Message 
              -----<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
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              <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">From: C. G. 
            Estabrook<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
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              <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">To: David 
            Johnson<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
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              <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">Cc: <"Undisclosed-Recipient:;"@<A 
                href="http://mail0.frost.chambana.net" 
                moz="true">mail0.frost.chambana.net</A>><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
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              <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2014 9:29 
                PM<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
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              <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">Subject: Re: [OccupyCU] AMMONS vs. 
                ROSENBERG Debate 
        Results<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
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              <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">Didn't Carol support 'enterprise zones' 
                (under another name), which are even more substantial corporate 
                tax cats - for favored 
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              <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">On Feb 5, 2014, at 9:24 PM, David 
                Johnson <<A href="mailto:davidjohnson1451@comcast.net" 
                moz="true">davidjohnson1451@comcast.net</A>> 
              wrote:<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
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                <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">I just returned from the Ammons vs. 
                  Rosenberg debate, for the Illinois 103rd State Rep Democratic 
                  Primary 
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                <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">The major differences between the two 
                  candidates were 
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                <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">Rosenberg SUPPORTS cutting corporate 
                  taxes and OPPOSES the $ 15.00 per hour minimum 
                wage.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
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                <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">Carol Ammons in contrast OPPOSES 
                  cutting corporate taxes and SUPPORTS the $ 15.00 per hour 
                  minimum 
        wage.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
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                <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">Rosenberg also stated that Carol 
                  Ammons experience in local government on the County Board and 
                  the Urbana City Council does NOT make her more qualified than 
                  him in terms of 
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                <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">He stated that 
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                <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">" Springfield is a different BEAST 
                  than local government and I am more qualified to deal with 
                  that."<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
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                  clearer to 
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                <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">What was also interesting was that I 
                  submitted TWO questions for the candidates, first via e-mail 
                  several days before the debate and early on at the 
                debate.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
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                <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">Neither question was asked 
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                <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">The questions were 
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                <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">1) Would you be willing to co-sponsor 
                  the current House Bill to enact a universal health care system 
                  in Illinois ( H.B. 942 
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                <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">2) Would you co-sponsor House Bill 
                  H.B. 3754 that would dissolve the Illinois Charter School 
                  Commision<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
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