<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:garamond, new york, times, serif;font-size:14pt"><div><span>I learned from Weiner's book on the FBI that in fact J. Edgar Hoover wanted the FBI to be the CIA--to spy foreignly as well as domestically--which it did prior to the establishment of the CIA, which Hoover opposed. </span></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" style="display: block;"> <br> <br> <div style="font-family: garamond, new york, times, serif; font-size: 14pt;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> On Wednesday, March 12, 2014 8:01 PM, Carl G. Estabrook <galliher@illinois.edu> wrote:<br> </font> </div> <blockquote style="padding-left: 5px; margin-top: 5px; margin-left: 5px; border-left-color: rgb(16, 16, 255); border-left-width: 2px; border-left-style: solid;"> <div
class="y_msg_container"><div id="yiv2317639806"><div>See Tim Weiner, "Enemies: A History of the FBI" (2012).<div><br clear="none"></div><div>A companion piece to his "Legacy of Ashes: The History of the CIA" (2008)<br clear="none"><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"><div><div class="yiv2317639806yqt3068168502" id="yiv2317639806yqtfd29223"><div>On Mar 11, 2014, at 8:55 AM, Karen Medina <<a href="mailto:kmedina67@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:kmedina67@gmail.com">kmedina67@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="yiv2317639806Apple-interchange-newline" clear="none"><blockquote type="cite"></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div><div class="yiv2317639806yqt3068168502" id="yiv2317639806yqtfd69693"><div><div dir="ltr">Yes, the FBI was, and still does, seem like two very different groups. One more CIA-like -- discrediting people, creating lies, torturing people, creating anger and hatred
-- the other actually solving some crimes (that their colleagues didn't commit) -- like Blagojevich for instance.<div>
<br clear="none"></div><div>-karen<br clear="none"><div><br clear="none"></div><div> </div></div></div><div class="yiv2317639806gmail_extra"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><div class="yiv2317639806gmail_quote">On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 11:02 PM, David Johnson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:davidjohnson1451@comcast.net" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:davidjohnson1451@comcast.net">davidjohnson1451@comcast.net</a>></span> wrote:<br clear="none">
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<div><font size="4"><b>Here is an interesting example of the FBI undercover
operations in the South during the 1960's ;</b></font></div>
<div><font size="4"><b></b></font> </div>
<div><font size="4"><b>" In one particularly controversial 1965 incident,
white civil rights worker </b></font><a title="Viola Liuzzo" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viola_Liuzzo" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect"><font size="4"><b>Viola
Liuzzo</b></font></a><font size="4"><b> was murdered by
</b></font><a title="Ku Klux Klan" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect"><font size="4"><b>Ku Klux
Klansmen</b></font></a><font size="4"><b>, who gave chase and fired
shots into her car after noticing that her passenger was a young black man; one
of the Klansmen was Gary Thomas Rowe, an acknowledged FBI informant.<sup><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO#cite_note-The_Informant-53" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect"><span>[</span>53<span>]</span></a></sup><sup><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO#cite_note-54" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect"><span>[</span>54<span>]</span></a></sup>
The FBI spread rumors that Liuzzo was a member of the </b></font><a title="Communist Party" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect"><font size="4"><b>Communist Party</b></font></a><font size="4"><b> and had
abandoned her children to have sexual relationships with </b></font><a title="African Americans" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_Americans" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect"><font size="4"><b>African Americans</b></font></a><font size="4"><b>
involved in the </b></font><a title="African-American Civil Rights Movement (1955–68)" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African-American_Civil_Rights_Movement_(1955%E2%80%9368)" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect"><font size="4"><b>Civil Rights Movement</b></font></a><font size="4"><b>.<sup><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO#cite_note-uua-55" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect"><span>[</span>55<span>]</span></a></sup><sup><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO#cite_note-urlRearview_Mirror-56" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect"><span>[</span>56<span>]</span></a></sup>
FBI records show that </b></font><a title="J. Edgar Hoover" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Edgar_Hoover" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect"><font size="4"><b>J.
Edgar Hoover</b></font></a><font size="4"><b> personally communicated
these insinuations to President Johnson.<sup><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO#cite_note-plantingseeds-57" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect"><span>[</span>57<span>]</span></a></sup><sup><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO#cite_note-Stanton-58" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect"><span>[</span>58<span>]</span></a></sup>
FBI informant Rowe has also been implicated in some of the most violent crimes
of the 1960s civil rights era, including attacks on the </b></font><a title="Freedom Riders" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_Riders" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect"><font size="4"><b>Freedom Riders</b></font></a><font size="4"><b> and the
1963 Birmingham, Alabama </b></font><a title="16th Street Baptist Church bombing" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/16th_Street_Baptist_Church_bombing" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect"><font size="4"><b>16th Street Baptist Church bombing</b></font></a><font size="4"><b>.<sup><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO#cite_note-The_Informant-53" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect"><span>[</span>53<span>]</span></a></sup>
According to </b></font><a title="Noam Chomsky" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noam_Chomsky" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect"><font size="4"><b>Noam
Chomsky</b></font></a><font size="4"><b>, in another instance in
</b></font><a title="San Diego" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Diego" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect"><font size="4"><b>San
Diego</b></font></a><font size="4"><b>, the FBI financed, armed, and
controlled an extreme right-wing group of former </b></font><a title="Minutemen (anti-Communist organization)" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minutemen_(anti-Communist_organization)" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect"><font size="4"><b>Minutemen</b></font></a><font size="4"><b>, transforming
it into a group called the Secret Army Organization that targeted groups,
activists, and leaders involved in the Anti-War Movement, using both
intimidation and violent acts ".</b></font></div>
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<div><b><font size="4">It is almost as if there were TWO FBI's with different
policies and priorities, which of course could not be the case, especially
with Hoover in charge.</font></b></div><span class="yiv2317639806HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">
</font></span><div><b><font size="4"></font></b> </div>
<div><b><font size="4">David Johnson</font></b></div>
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<div style="font: 10pt/normal arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;">----- Original Message ----- </div>
<div style="background: rgb(228, 228, 228); font: 10pt/normal arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>From:</b>
<a title="kmedina67@gmail.com" href="mailto:kmedina67@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:kmedina67@gmail.com">Karen
Medina</a> </div>
</div><div class="yiv2317639806"><div style="font: 10pt/normal arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>To:</b> <a title="davidjohnson1451@comcast.net" href="mailto:davidjohnson1451@comcast.net" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:davidjohnson1451@comcast.net">David Johnson</a> </div>
<div style="font: 10pt/normal arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Cc:</b> <a title="peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net">Peace-discuss</a> </div>
<div style="font: 10pt/normal arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Sent:</b> Monday, March 10, 2014 6:08
PM</div>
</div><div><div class="yiv2317639806h5"><div style="font: 10pt/normal arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Peace-discuss] Spies of
Mississippi: The True Story of the Spy Network that Tried to Destroy the Civil
Rights Movement</div>
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<div>David Johnson wrote: > <b><font face="Arial">Was this part of
the FBI's cointelpro program ?</font></b></div>
<div><b><font face="Arial"><br clear="none"></font></b></div>The Mississippi
Sovereignty Commission started completely as a state of Mississippi entity.
But it lasted over, three possibly four governor's terms. The FBI had nothing
to do with it at first. The FBI entered the scene in 1964 when the 3 "Freedom
Summer" campaign volunteers disappeared. The FBI was investigating the
disappearance -- so they were working on the opposite side from the
commission.
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<div>Later, toward the end of the commission's long life, there were people
who were paid by the commission who were also sharing information with the FBI
-- the commission was paying police officers who served "the public", the
Klan, and the commission. They shared reports.</div>
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<div>At least that is the way I understand it. </div>
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<div>-karen</div>
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<div>I just enjoyed a book:</div>"Spies of Mississippi: The True Story of
the Spy Network that Tried to Destroy the Civil Rights
Movement"<br clear="none">by Rick Bowers </div></div></div><div><br class="yiv2317639806webkit-block-placeholder" clear="none"></div></blockquote></div></blockquote></div><br clear="none"></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div>
</blockquote></div><br clear="none"><br clear="all"><div><br clear="none"></div>-- <br clear="none">-- karen medina<br clear="none">"The really great make you feel that you, too, can become great." - Mark Twain<br clear="none">
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