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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial>More interesting ideas
Karen.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial>I do know that the FBI lobbied to keep Leonard
Peltier in prison all of these years.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial>As far as other issues, other than giving the FBI
more power and impunity, I am not certain.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial>David J.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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<A title=kmedina67@gmail.com href="mailto:kmedina67@gmail.com">Karen
Medina</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, March 12, 2014 9:53
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Peace-discuss] Spies of
Mississippi: The True Story of the Spy Network that Tried to Destroy the Civil
Rights Movement</DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr>Interesting that my mentioning of Mississippi's Sovereignty
Commission went directly into a discussion of the FBI. In fact, the MSC was
very much like Mississippi's own FBI.
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>What I should also mention is that the Mississippi Sovereignty Commission
became a very strong lobbying body in Washington D.C. (Imagine it -- the State
of Mississippi might have a lot of money), lobbying for
segregation. </DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Also imagine the FBI lobbying. // Deep pockets. // Our taxes. // And what
issues would be lobbied for and against? </DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 8:07 PM, David Green <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:davegreen84@yahoo.com"
target=_blank>davegreen84@yahoo.com</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV><SPAN>I learned from Weiner's book on the FBI that in fact J. Edgar
Hoover wanted the FBI to be the CIA--to spy foreignly as well as
domestically--which it did prior to the establishment of the CIA, which
Hoover opposed. </SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial>On Wednesday, March 12, 2014 8:01 PM, Carl G.
Estabrook <<A href="mailto:galliher@illinois.edu"
target=_blank>galliher@illinois.edu</A>> wrote:<BR></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>See Tim Weiner, "Enemies: A History of the FBI" (2012).
<DIV><BR clear=none></DIV>
<DIV>A companion piece to his "Legacy of Ashes: The History of the
CIA" (2008)<BR clear=none>
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<DIV>On Mar 11, 2014, at 8:55 AM, Karen Medina <<A
href="mailto:kmedina67@gmail.com" shape=rect rel=nofollow
target=_blank>kmedina67@gmail.com</A>> wrote:</DIV><BR clear=none>
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<DIV dir=ltr>Yes, the FBI was, and still does, seem like two very
different groups. One more CIA-like -- discrediting people, creating lies,
torturing people, creating anger and hatred -- the other actually solving
some crimes (that their colleagues didn't commit) -- like Blagojevich for
instance.
<DIV><BR clear=none></DIV>
<DIV>-karen<BR clear=none>
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<DIV>On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 11:02 PM, David Johnson <SPAN dir=ltr><<A
href="mailto:davidjohnson1451@comcast.net" shape=rect rel=nofollow
target=_blank>davidjohnson1451@comcast.net</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR
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<DIV><FONT size=4><B>Here is an interesting example of the FBI
undercover operations in the South during the 1960's ;</B></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4><B></B></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4><B>" In one particularly controversial 1965 incident,
white civil rights worker </B></FONT><A title="Viola Liuzzo"
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viola_Liuzzo" shape=rect rel=nofollow
target=_blank><FONT size=4><B>Viola Liuzzo</B></FONT></A><FONT
size=4><B> was murdered by </B></FONT><A title="Ku Klux Klan"
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan" shape=rect rel=nofollow
target=_blank><FONT size=4><B>Ku Klux Klansmen</B></FONT></A><FONT
size=4><B>, who gave chase and fired shots into her car after noticing
that her passenger was a young black man; one of the Klansmen was Gary
Thomas Rowe, an acknowledged FBI informant.<SUP><A
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO#cite_note-The_Informant-53"
shape=rect rel=nofollow
target=_blank><SPAN>[</SPAN>53<SPAN>]</SPAN></A></SUP><SUP><A
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO#cite_note-54" shape=rect
rel=nofollow target=_blank><SPAN>[</SPAN>54<SPAN>]</SPAN></A></SUP> The
FBI spread rumors that Liuzzo was a member of the </B></FONT><A
title="Communist Party"
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party" shape=rect
rel=nofollow target=_blank><FONT size=4><B>Communist
Party</B></FONT></A><FONT size=4><B> and had abandoned her children to
have sexual relationships with </B></FONT><A title="African Americans"
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_Americans" shape=rect
rel=nofollow target=_blank><FONT size=4><B>African
Americans</B></FONT></A><FONT size=4><B> involved in the </B></FONT><A
title="African-American Civil Rights Movement (1955–68)"
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African-American_Civil_Rights_Movement_(1955%E2%80%9368)"
shape=rect rel=nofollow target=_blank><FONT size=4><B>Civil Rights
Movement</B></FONT></A><FONT size=4><B>.<SUP><A
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO#cite_note-uua-55"
shape=rect rel=nofollow
target=_blank><SPAN>[</SPAN>55<SPAN>]</SPAN></A></SUP><SUP><A
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO#cite_note-urlRearview_Mirror-56"
shape=rect rel=nofollow
target=_blank><SPAN>[</SPAN>56<SPAN>]</SPAN></A></SUP> FBI records show
that </B></FONT><A title="J. Edgar Hoover"
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Edgar_Hoover" shape=rect
rel=nofollow target=_blank><FONT size=4><B>J. Edgar
Hoover</B></FONT></A><FONT size=4><B> personally communicated these
insinuations to President Johnson.<SUP><A
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO#cite_note-plantingseeds-57"
shape=rect rel=nofollow
target=_blank><SPAN>[</SPAN>57<SPAN>]</SPAN></A></SUP><SUP><A
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO#cite_note-Stanton-58"
shape=rect rel=nofollow
target=_blank><SPAN>[</SPAN>58<SPAN>]</SPAN></A></SUP> FBI informant
Rowe has also been implicated in some of the most violent crimes of the
1960s civil rights era, including attacks on the </B></FONT><A
title="Freedom Riders"
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_Riders" shape=rect
rel=nofollow target=_blank><FONT size=4><B>Freedom
Riders</B></FONT></A><FONT size=4><B> and the 1963 Birmingham, Alabama
</B></FONT><A title="16th Street Baptist Church bombing"
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/16th_Street_Baptist_Church_bombing"
shape=rect rel=nofollow target=_blank><FONT size=4><B>16th Street
Baptist Church bombing</B></FONT></A><FONT size=4><B>.<SUP><A
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO#cite_note-The_Informant-53"
shape=rect rel=nofollow
target=_blank><SPAN>[</SPAN>53<SPAN>]</SPAN></A></SUP> According to
</B></FONT><A title="Noam Chomsky"
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noam_Chomsky" shape=rect rel=nofollow
target=_blank><FONT size=4><B>Noam Chomsky</B></FONT></A><FONT
size=4><B>, in another instance in </B></FONT><A title="San Diego"
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Diego" shape=rect rel=nofollow
target=_blank><FONT size=4><B>San Diego</B></FONT></A><FONT size=4><B>,
the FBI financed, armed, and controlled an extreme right-wing group of
former </B></FONT><A title="Minutemen (anti-Communist organization)"
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minutemen_(anti-Communist_organization)"
shape=rect rel=nofollow target=_blank><FONT
size=4><B>Minutemen</B></FONT></A><FONT size=4><B>, transforming it into
a group called the Secret Army Organization that targeted groups,
activists, and leaders involved in the Anti-War Movement, using both
intimidation and violent acts ".</B></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><B><FONT size=4></FONT></B> </DIV>
<DIV><B><FONT size=4>It is almost as if there were TWO FBI's with
different policies and priorities, which of course could not be the
case, especially with Hoover in charge.</FONT></B></DIV><SPAN><FONT
color=#888888></FONT></SPAN>
<DIV><B><FONT size=4></FONT></B> </DIV>
<DIV><B><FONT size=4>David Johnson</FONT></B></DIV>
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<A title=kmedina67@gmail.com href="mailto:kmedina67@gmail.com"
shape=rect rel=nofollow target=_blank>Karen Medina</A> </DIV></DIV>
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<DIV
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<A title=davidjohnson1451@comcast.net
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Monday, March 10, 2014 6:08 PM</DIV></DIV>
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<DIV
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Re: [Peace-discuss] Spies of Mississippi: The True Story of the Spy
Network that Tried to Destroy the Civil Rights Movement</DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr>
<DIV>David Johnson wrote: > <B><FONT face=Arial>Was this part
of the FBI's cointelpro program ?</FONT></B></DIV>
<DIV><B><FONT face=Arial><BR clear=none></FONT></B></DIV>The
Mississippi Sovereignty Commission started completely as a state of
Mississippi entity. But it lasted over, three possibly four governor's
terms. The FBI had nothing to do with it at first. The FBI entered the
scene in 1964 when the 3 "Freedom Summer" campaign volunteers
disappeared. The FBI was investigating the disappearance -- so they
were working on the opposite side from the commission.
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<DIV>Later, toward the end of the commission's long life, there were
people who were paid by the commission who were also sharing
information with the FBI -- the commission was paying police officers
who served "the public", the Klan, and the commission. They shared
reports.</DIV>
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<DIV>At least that is the way I understand it. </DIV>
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<DIV>-karen</DIV>
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<DIV>I just enjoyed a book:</DIV>"Spies of Mississippi: The True
Story of the Spy Network that Tried to Destroy the Civil Rights
Movement"<BR clear=none>by Rick Bowers </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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