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So according to D. Green there are 2 categories: </div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:garamond,'new york',times,serif;font-size:18.399999618530273px"><ol><li>those who echo what D. Green says <br></li>
<li>those who don't, and they are therefore smeared </li></ol></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:garamond,'new york',times,serif;font-size:18.399999618530273px">D. Green, you simply didn't address my note's points about BDS. Instead, you rushed into character assassination 'GPO style'.</div>
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And you are asking us to vote for you as another person in Congress to talk to yourself, or smear?? we do know better.<br></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:garamond,'new york',times,serif;font-size:18.399999618530273px">
<br></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:garamond,'new york',times,serif;font-size:18.399999618530273px">As I said, after you loose, soon, your chance to go to D.C. in our name, I'll be glad to accept your challenge to debate any issue concerning Israel/Palestine.</div>
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<br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 9:09 AM, David Green <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:davegreen84@yahoo.com" target="_blank">davegreen84@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="font-size:14pt;font-family:garamond,new york,times,serif"><div><span>Rabbi Rosen's presentation was informed and authentic; my only criticism would be in more concrete proposals for influencing U.S. foreign policy, but I think that has more to do with the time allowed and the focus of his presentation on Jewish perspectives. </span></div>
<div><span><br></span></div><div><span>Ya'aQov's criticisms are, as always with him, in extreme bad faith. Rabbi Rosen offered clear and dispassionate responses to Y's propaganda-driven and goading questions, including a typical hasbara point regarding Jews from Arab countries. Y has zero credibility on this issue, as he does on any issue. Y was tolerated and accorded his dignity by Rosen; Y in turn engages in a scurrilous attack on this list. That's all I will have to say on this issue.</span></div>
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<div style="font-family:garamond,new york,times,serif;font-size:14pt"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:12pt"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial"> On Friday, March 14, 2014 11:20 PM, ya'aQov <<a href="mailto:yaaqovz@gmail.com" target="_blank">yaaqovz@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial"><font color="#333333" face="verdana, sans-serif">Rabbi B. Rosen's advocacy for BDS was uninformed, fake leftist posturing, as D. Green's is. Rosen had an epiphany during Operation Cast Lead; that
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<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial"><font color="#333333" face="verdana, sans-serif"><br clear="none"></font></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial"><font color="#333333" face="verdana, sans-serif">Possibly t<a href="http://mostlykosher.blogspot.com/2011/09/noam-chomsky-on-bds-not-what-you-expect.html" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank">he best analyses of BDS is N. Chomsky's</a><u> </u></font><font face="verdana, sans-serif">and </font><a href="http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/finkelstein-renews-attack-bds-cult-calls-palestinians-who-pursue-their-rights" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank"><font face="verdana, sans-serif">N. Finkelstein's</font></a></div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial"><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><br clear="none"></font></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial"><font color="#333333" face="verdana, sans-serif">Again and again, people pretending to speak on behalf of Palestinian people have NOT spoken with Palestinian people, and fail on representing them. Neither are they representing Israel's opposition to their government's policies, nor are they attempting to collaborate with Israelis opposing the occupation. Rabbi Rosen qas a good example for that: he mentioned friends in the Israeli opposition to he occupation, yet he never attempted to align his Jewish Voice for Peace with them.</font></div>
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>From the start, long before Clinton was elected, Alexander foresaw what the governor of Arkansas, mired in state-level malfeasance and connexions to the Contra programme, would mean as a ruler of the country: Walmart jobs for the many and Marc Rich pardons for the few. Within five months of the new Presidency he was writing: ‘The Clinton administration is over. Oh, it will drag on in a thickening twilight of new beginnings and fresh tomorrows’, under a ruler whose language bespoke his vision: ‘Clinton’s sloppy, tired phrases limp through the reality of America like an obese Sunday jogger waddling down the road.’ Of his claim to diplomatic fame, Alexander, abandoning mockery, wrote in words that are no less implacably actual today:<br clear="none">
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"It would take the pen of Swift to evoke the nauseating scenes of hypocrisy, bad faith and self-delusion on the White House lawn today [13 September 1993], crammed as it was with people who for long years were complicit in the butchery and torture of Palestinians and the denial of their rights, now applauding the ‘symbolic handshake’ that in fact ratified further negation of those same rights. In the shadow of an American President with the poise and verbiage of the manager of a McDonald’s franchise, Arafat produced oratory so meagre it made Rabin sound like Cicero.<br clear="none">
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