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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial>Give me a break !</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial>The only one acting like a ' fascist " here is YOU
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial>David J.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=yaaqovz@gmail.com href="mailto:yaaqovz@gmail.com">ya'aQov</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=carl@newsfromneptune.com
href="mailto:carl@newsfromneptune.com">C. G. Estabrook</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=peace-discuss@anti-war.net
href="mailto:peace-discuss@anti-war.net">Peace Discuss</A> ; <A
title=davegreen84@yahoo.com href="mailto:davegreen84@yahoo.com">David
Green</A> ; <A title=occupyCU@lists.chambana.net
href="mailto:occupyCU@lists.chambana.net">occupycu</A> ; <A
title=sjp.uiuc@gmail.com href="mailto:sjp.uiuc@gmail.com">SJP UIUC</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, March 16, 2014 10:41
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [OccupyCU] [Peace-discuss]
[Peace] News from Neptune for 14March 2014</DIV>
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class=gmail_default>Leader Green knows exactly what to do, whom to expel, how
and to whom to listen, how to reduce Israel/Palestine to a few slogans, and is
willing to call out, confidently and righteously, anybody who doesn't want to
do and say exactly what he wants. <BR><BR></DIV>
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class=gmail_default>Carl, these are not 'amusing hysterics', this is language
of a fascist, on your weekly Neptune News as well.<BR><BR></DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 9:08 AM, David Green <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:davegreen84@yahoo.com"
target=_blank>davegreen84@yahoo.com</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV><SPAN>I appreciate Ahmad's thoughtful and incisive comments, and his
organizing both my talk and Rabbi Rosen's. I look forward to a local
movement that challenges institutionalized support for apartheid on this
campus in its relationships with Israeli universities, and in its
relationship with the local Zionist community. These should be called out,
and Phyllis Wise and other administrators should be constructively and
publicly shamed for their blatant hypocrisy and racism. As I said in my talk
on 2/19, there is no longer any call for arguments with apologists for
Israel, including the two individuals commenting in this thread. It's time
to move forward confidently and righteously in organizing an assertive
movement on this campus, hopefully in association with students at UIC and
perhaps elsewhere--as indeed many campuses have been subject to an
organized campaign of repression by Jewish United Fund in Chicago. I
hope that Jewish students will be a part of this, and that the Open Hillel
movement will find some traction. In any event, I would encourage those on
this list to no longer indulge or argue with those interlopers who act in
bad faith and who do not in any genuine way support needed changes in USFP
and Israel's apartheid state.</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN>DG</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial>On Sunday, March 16, 2014 8:43 AM, ya'aQov
<<A href="mailto:yaaqovz@gmail.com"
target=_blank>yaaqovz@gmail.com</A>> wrote:<BR></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT size=+0><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: verdana,sans-serif"></SPAN>Thank you for your letter,
Ahmad. Your call to focus on something we can collaborate on, and protest
against atrocities done in our name, and with our moneys</FONT>
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size=+0> is so timely and welcome!</FONT></DIV><FONT size=+0><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: verdana,sans-serif"></SPAN></FONT>
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<DIV style="COLOR: rgb(51,51,51)"><FONT size=+0><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: verdana,sans-serif">I regret how concepts such as BDS,
apartheid, Zionism, Jewish, Israeli/Palestinian were used without a call
for understanding what they stood for. Instead they were used as
slogans ('shortcuts'). The fact that coincided with David Green's
talk to SJP a week earlier, and with his campaign for Congress using those
shortcuts was regrettable, though not a mere coincidence. Opposition
to Israel is divided and conflicted, yet we have to work with that,
accurately acknowledge its parameters and dynamics, and inform our
constituents accordingly.<BR clear=none><BR
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<DIV style="COLOR: rgb(51,51,51)"><FONT size=+0><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: verdana,sans-serif">Chomsky and Finkelstein's clips
were not out of context. Chomsky's point about the education needed
so that divestment is successful pertains to our mission together.
In the case of ASA such education took decades. Shortcutting that to
slogans won't promote the needed education and understanding, it will
fail. <BR clear=none><BR clear=none></SPAN></FONT></DIV><FONT
size=+0><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: verdana,sans-serif">Finkelstein's point
about exaggerating 'growing numbers and success' as a cult-dynamic
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<DIV style="DISPLAY: inline; COLOR: rgb(51,51,51)">wa</DIV>s exactly
what Rabbi Rosen did. But these issues are now water under the
Allenbi Bridge, and our issues, as you so eloquently put it, are the
atrocities conducted in the name of that Bridge
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and the US responsibility in that.</DIV><BR clear=none><BR clear=none>
<DIV style="DISPLAY: inline; COLOR: rgb(51,51,51)"> Could SJP organize a
debate/panel on BDS where presenters (based on research) will address the
movement's goals, tactics, moving forward? </DIV><BR clear=none><BR
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<DIV style="DISPLAY: inline; COLOR: rgb(51,51,51)">I appreciate David
Gehrig's notes as a helpful tip for organizers, so participants do not
abuse time</DIV>
<DIV style="DISPLAY: inline; COLOR: rgb(51,51,51)"> and focus of the
meeting.</DIV>
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<BR clear=none><BR clear=none>Looking forward to your welcome leadership
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<DIV>on this,</DIV><BR clear=none></DIV>
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