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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial>I am not </FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial>" raging and screaming " , I am asking you what
your definition of " The Left " is ?</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial>You stated " liberals and progressives
".</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial>You avoided my question by stating two more
ambiguous political labels.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial>I am trying to understand where and who this "
anti-semitism on the Left " is that you initially claimed.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial>David Johnson</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=david-cu@nukulele.org href="mailto:david-cu@nukulele.org">David
Gehrig</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=davidjohnson1451@comcast.net
href="mailto:davidjohnson1451@comcast.net">David Johnson</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, April 25, 2014 7:41
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Peace-discuss] Academic
Freedom Conference ... speakers flying/ driving / Skypeing in from around the
country/world.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Once you're through raging and steaming, you might want to notice that I
answered your question. <BR><BR>@%<</DIV>
<DIV><BR>On Apr 25, 2014, at 7:29 PM, "David Johnson" <<A
href="mailto:davidjohnson1451@comcast.net">davidjohnson1451@comcast.net</A>>
wrote:<BR><BR></DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial>Yes Mr. Gehrig !</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial>I want to know what YOUR definition of " The
LEFT " is ?</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial>I don't care about what other people's
definitions are, I want to know what YOUR definition
is.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial>WE would like to know what YOUR definition of
the " LEFT " is, so that we can seriously consider your
accusation that there is " anti-semitism amongst the LEFT
".</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial>David Johnson</FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=david-cu@nukulele.org href="mailto:david-cu@nukulele.org">David
Gehrig</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=davidjohnson1451@comcast.net
href="mailto:davidjohnson1451@comcast.net">David Johnson</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, April 25, 2014 7:00
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Peace-discuss] Academic
Freedom Conference ... speakers flying/ driving / Skypeing in from around
the country/world.</DIV>
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<DIV>Uh, pretty much the same as everyone else's: liberals and
progressives. Is there a point you're trying to make?</DIV>
<DIV><BR>@%<</DIV>
<DIV><BR>On Apr 25, 2014, at 6:35 PM, "David Johnson" <<A
href="mailto:davidjohnson1451@comcast.net">davidjohnson1451@comcast.net</A>>
wrote:<BR><BR></DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial>That is a fact Mr. Gehrig, that Stephen
Francis called himself ;</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><STRONG>"... </STRONG><FONT
face="Times New Roman"> a progressive. He described himself in a
previous post to this list as "a California hippy peace activist."
Doesn't sound very Reaganite to me. "</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT face="Times New Roman">I
could describe myself as the most handsome and intelligent man
in the world, but that doesn't necessarily make it so. And
therefore do you consider anyone who is NOT a " Reaganite " on the
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT face="Times New Roman">" LEFT "
?</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>What is YOUR definition of</DIV>
<DIV> the " LEFT " ?</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT face="Times New Roman">David
Johnson</FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=david-cu@nukulele.org
href="mailto:david-cu@nukulele.org">David Gehrig</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=davidjohnson1451@comcast.net
href="mailto:davidjohnson1451@comcast.net">David Johnson</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, April 25, 2014 6:23
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Peace-discuss]
Academic Freedom Conference ... speakers flying/ driving / Skypeing in
from around the country/world.</DIV>
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<DIV>He says so himself. He describes himself as a progressive. He
described himself in a previous post to this list as "a California
hippy peace activist." Doesn't sound very Reaganite to
me. <BR><BR>@%<</DIV>
<DIV><BR>On Apr 25, 2014, at 5:19 PM, "David Johnson" <<A
href="mailto:davidjohnson1451@comcast.net">davidjohnson1451@comcast.net</A>>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>HOW is he " clearly " LEFT "
?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>David Johnson</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=david-cu@nukulele.org
href="mailto:david-cu@nukulele.org">David Gehrig</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=davidjohnson1451@comcast.net
href="mailto:davidjohnson1451@comcast.net">David Johnson</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, April 25, 2014
5:10 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Peace-discuss]
Academic Freedom Conference ... speakers flying/ driving /
Skypeing in from around the country/world.</DIV>
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<DIV>I think that, antisemitism aside, he's pretty clearly left,
not right. He certainly considers himself part of the left. And he
bought into antisemitism and Holocaust denial because it was being
presented to him in the language of the left.<BR><BR>@%<</DIV>
<DIV><BR>On Apr 25, 2014, at 5:04 PM, "David Johnson" <<A
href="mailto:davidjohnson1451@comcast.net">davidjohnson1451@comcast.net</A>>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>That he ( Stephen Francis ) is on
the </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>" LEFT ".</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>David Johnson</FONT></DIV>
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</DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=david-cu@nukulele.org
href="mailto:david-cu@nukulele.org">David Gehrig</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=davidjohnson1451@comcast.net
href="mailto:davidjohnson1451@comcast.net">David Johnson</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A
title=peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net
href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net">Peace-discuss</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, April 25,
2014 4:47 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[Peace-discuss] Academic Freedom Conference ... speakers
flying/ driving / Skypeing in from around the
country/world.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>I'm removing Occupy from the reply list, as it's not a
discussion group.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Wrapping antisemitic ideology, up to and including
Holocaust denial, in the language of anti-zionism does not
magically erase its antisemitism. When Steve Francis does
exactly that, as he has done on these lists, then "I'm not an
antisemite, only an anti-Zionist" excuse falls apart, and his
being on the left, rather than the right, doesn't change
that.</DIV>
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<DIV>So which part do you dispute, that Francis is an
antisemite, or that he is on the left?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>@%<</DIV>
<DIV><BR>On Apr 25, 2014, at 4:25 PM, "David Johnson" <<A
href="mailto:davidjohnson1451@comcast.net">davidjohnson1451@comcast.net</A>>
wrote:<BR><BR></DIV>
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<DIV>" even when that antisemitism is on the left and
the Counterpunch crowd are too ideologically paralyzed to
address it."</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Define WHO and WHERE the "
anti-semitism " on the " Left " is Mr. Gehrig.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>David Johnson</FONT></DIV>
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</DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=david-cu@nukulele.org
href="mailto:david-cu@nukulele.org">David Gehrig</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=stephenf1113@yahoo.com
href="mailto:stephenf1113@yahoo.com">Stephen Francis</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A
title=peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net
href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</A>
; <A title=occupyCU@lists.chambana.net
href="mailto:occupyCU@lists.chambana.net">occupycu</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, April
25, 2014 10:31 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[Peace-discuss] Academic Freedom Conference ... speakers
flying/ driving / Skypeing in from around the
country/world.</DIV>
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<DIV>The article confirms that Fetzer is unambiguously a
Holocaust denier now. One of at least four appearing at
your little Hate-the-Jew Hootenanny, including
you. </DIV>
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<DIV>Holocaust denial is like a venereal disease; you can
trace back how you got it from Fetzer and Barrett, how
Fetzer got it from Gilad Atzmon; how Atzmon got it from
Israel Shamir, and how Israel Shamir got it from the
Jew-conspiracy fantasies of the brownshirts.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>This will be my only reply on the Occupy list, and I
make it because when you first showed up here some of the
more ideological folks here took your "I'm not
antisemitic, just anti-zionist" at face value, despite the
David Duke videos on your web site, and paradoxically
attacked those like me who called your antisemitism out
for what it is. By now, it oughta be clearer than clear
that I wasn't "crying wolf" or "trying to change the
subject." The time to discuss antisemitism is when there
is antisemitism, even when that antisemitism is on the
left and the Counterpunch crowd are too ideologically
paralyzed to address it.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>@%<</DIV>
<DIV><BR>On Apr 25, 2014, at 10:07 AM, Stephen Francis
<<A
href="mailto:stephenf1113@yahoo.com">stephenf1113@yahoo.com</A>>
wrote:<BR><BR></DIV>
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<DIV>Doors open at 9am, Illini Union, Room 314A,
Sat. the 26th.</DIV>
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Jim Fetzer's latest article:</DIV>
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