<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><div class="" style="margin-bottom:0pt; margin-top:0pt; "><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">Mr. Gehrig,</span><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class="" style=""></o:p></span></span></div><div class="" style="margin-bottom:0pt; margin-top:0pt; "><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">Ok, now we</span><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">’re getting somewhere. You are talking about the technical aspects of Auschwitz while still
hurling insults. This is an improvement! I would like to respond by referring to the physical evidence pertaining </span></span></div><div class="" style="margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">to Auschwitz II, if I may. </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class="" style=""></o:p></span></span></div><div class="" style="margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><br class="" style=""></span></span></div><div class="" style="margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt; font-size: 16px; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-weight: bold; color: rgb(157, 24, 17);" class="">The bottom line: Mr. Gehrig.... prove that Topf cremation equipment that was installed in Auschwitz could perform a cremation in less than 13 minutes. That is what is required to cremate 1440 bodies with 15 ovens in one day. Provide modern scientific references and not just questionable Nazi government reports. See math below.</span></span></div><div class="" style="margin-bottom:0pt; margin-top:0pt; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;" class=""><o:p class="" style=""> </o:p></span></div><div class=""
style="margin-bottom:0pt; margin-top:0pt; "><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">First I need to make some assumptions. If you disagree with these please provide more sources beyond the Nazi government. I will do the same.</span><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class="" style=""></o:p></span></span></div><div class="" style="margin-bottom:0pt; margin-top:0pt; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;" class=""><o:p class="" style=""> </o:p></span></div><div class="" style="margin-bottom:0pt; margin-top:0pt; "><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;"
class="">My first assumption is that Auschwitz II was a morgue </span><img src="http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/camps/auschwitz/crematoria/images/k2-reconstuction-tn.jpg" style="font-size: 10pt;" class=""> <span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">(</span><a href="http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/camps/auschwitz/crematoria/k2-construct-docs-02.html" class="" style="">Nizkor</a><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">). There were raging typhus epidemics and the deaths mounted to hundreds per day. They couldn’t bury the victims, cremation was the only choice. There is no hard evidence it was converted to a gas chamber. ... no holes in the roof and no Zyklon B in the walls...etc.... only a scientific inquiry at a university level could settle the issue and this is not allowed by the
exterminationists.</span></span></div><div class="" style="margin-bottom:0pt; margin-top:0pt; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;" class=""><o:p class="" style=""> </o:p></span></div><div class="" style="margin-bottom:0pt; margin-top:0pt; "><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">The Topf & Sons (</span><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topf_and_Sons" class="" style="">Wikipedia</a><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">) company supplied the cremation equipment. In 1942 they installed the five three-muffle ovens to improve the efficiency of the cremation process. The cremations peaked in the summer of 1944 and the facility
was shut down in the fall of 1944, so there was only 25-30 months for it to operate.</span></span></div><div class="" style="margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 12pt; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;" class=""> </span></div><div class="" style="margin-bottom:0pt; margin-top:0pt; "><span class="" style=""><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt;" class="">The oven temperature had to be raised to around 1800 degrees which slowed the first cremations of the day. That temperature
could not be exceeded because of the danger of sintering </span><span class="" style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt;">(</span><a href="http://www.srgw.demon.co.uk/CremSoc/" style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 10pt; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">Cremation Society of Great Britain</a> reports from 1975 <a href="http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/dth/14.pdf" style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;" class="">VHO</a><span class="" style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt;">) </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;"
class="">hereby the metal of the ovens starts to melt and the firebricks breakdown and actually fuse with the bodies. Over sixty minutes is required for each cremation. The only way to decrease the cremation time is to increase the temperature and this was not possible on Topf ovens. and see Part 4 </span><a href="http://www.newsfollowup.com/videos/academic_freedom_conference_2014_stephen_francis_jfk_9-11_truth_holocaust.mp4" class="" style="">Academic Freedom Conference</a></span></span></div><div class="" style="margin-bottom:0pt; margin-top:0pt; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;" class=""><o:p class="" style=""> </o:p></span></div><div class="" style="margin-bottom:0pt; margin-top:0pt; "><span class="" style=""><span style="font-size: 18px;" class=""><span class=""
style="">There was a 3 hour required maintenance period each day. Overheating and other maintenance problems occurred if this requirement was not adhered to (</span><a href="http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/body-disposal/" style="" class="">Holocaust History</a>) so cremations could only be performed 20 hours per day considering the considerable time it took to warm up the ovens.</span><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class="" style=""></o:p></span></span></div><div class="" style="margin-bottom:0pt; margin-top:0pt; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;" class=""><o:p class="" style=""> </o:p></span></div><div class="" style="margin-bottom:0pt; margin-top:0pt; "><span class="" style=""><span
style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;" class="">Prufer was the head engineer of </span><a href="http://www.topfundsoehne.de/cms-www/index.php?id=94&l=1&L=4&id=94" class="" style="">Topf </a><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;" class=""> and experimented with installing 3 hp blowers to stoke the flames but again ran into overheating problems and equipment breakdowns. </span></span></span></div><div class="" style="margin-bottom:0pt; margin-top:0pt; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;" class=""><o:p class="" style=""> </o:p></span></div><div class="" style="margin-bottom:0pt; margin-top:0pt; "><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new
york', times, serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">The muffle openings were 23.5” x 23.5”. The average human body is 18” wide so there was less than 3” per side horizontally and not much more vertically considering the mechanism to introduce the bodies.</span><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class="" style=""></o:p></span></span></div><div class="" style="margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;"><span class="" style=""><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><img src="http://www.newsfollowup.com/academicfreedomconference/5ovens.jpg" alt="5ovens" class="" style=""> </span><span class="" style=""><span style="font-size:
12pt;" class=""> <span style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;" class="">source</span></span><span class="" style=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;" class="">:</span><span class="" style=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;" class=""> </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><a href="http://www.wollheim-memorial.de/en/auschwitz_ii_birkenau_2" class="" style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;">Willheim</a><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;" class=""> </span></span><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 13px;" class=""><span class="" style=""> </span></span></span></span></span></span></div><div class="" style="margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; font-size: 16px;
font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent;"><span class="" style=""><span class="" style=""><span class="" style=""><span class="" style=""><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 13px;" class=""><span class="" style=""><br class="" style=""></span></span></span></span></span></span></div><div class="" style="margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; font-size: 13px; background-color: transparent;"><br></div><div class="" style="margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; font-size: 13px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; background-color: transparent;"><span class="" style="font-size: 10pt; background-color: transparent;">The so-called 'selection' process occurred within minutes of the persons exiting the railroad cars arriving from the
ghettos. They were not emaciated and many if not most were capable of working at the nearby IG Farben plant. Auschwitz was a labor camp. This negates the argument that multiple bodies could be stuffed into the ovens.</span></div><div class="" style="margin-bottom:0pt; margin-top:0pt; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;" class=""><o:p class="" style=""> </o:p></span></div><div class="" style="margin-bottom:0pt; margin-top:0pt; "><span style="font-size: 13px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;" class=""><span class=""
style="">The industry standard for cremation time is about one hour per 50 kgrms or about 100 lbs. And the standard time is from 1-3 hours depending on body weight. So stuffing more bodies in the ovens just increases the time of cremation and increases the fire hazard. </span><a href="http://nfda.org/planning-a-funeral/cremation/160.html#long" class="" style="">National Funeral Directors Association</a> states the average time at 2 and 1/2 hours, and does not include the cooling down time</span></div><div class="" style="margin-bottom:0pt; margin-top:0pt; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;" class=""><o:p class="" style=""> </o:p></span></div><div class=""
style="margin-bottom:0pt; margin-top:0pt; "><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">One of the arguments the exterminationists make is that more cremations could be performed it there was no cooling down process between cremations. Well, modern cremation oven companies advertise a continuous process and this particular site (</span><a href="http://uscremationequipment.com/index2e09.html" class="" style="">US Cremation Systems</a><span style="font-size: 12pt;"
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york', times, serif; font-weight: bold; font-size: 18px; color: rgb(205, 35, 44);" class=""><span class="" style="">So the arguments concerning stuffing more bodies into the ovens and having no cooling times are invalid.</span><span class="" style=""><o:p class="" style=""></o:p></span></span></div><div class="" style="margin-bottom:0pt; margin-top:0pt; "><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-weight: bold; font-size: large; color: rgb(205, 35, 44);" class=""><span class=""
style="">Now, given that the exterminationists claim that 1440 bodies could be cremated in five three-muffle ovens in one day, it would require each body to be cremated in about 12.5 minutes. Ridiculously impossible. </span><span class="" style=""><o:p class="" style=""></o:p></span></span></div><div class="" style="margin-bottom:0pt; margin-top:0pt; "><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-weight: bold; font-size: 18px; color: rgb(205, 35, 44);" class=""><span class="" style="">Here’s the math: There are 1200 minutes in a 20 hour period. Divide 1440 bodies by 15 ovens = 96 bodies per oven per day.</span><span
class="" style=""><o:p class="" style=""></o:p></span></span></div><div class="" style="margin-bottom:0pt; margin-top:0pt; "><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;" class=""><span style="font-weight: bold; font-size: 18px; color: rgb(205, 35, 44);" class="">Divide 1200 by 96 = 12.5 minutes per body per oven. </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><o:p class="" style=""></o:p></span></span></div><div class="" style="margin-bottom:0pt; margin-top:0pt; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;" class=""><o:p class="" style=""> </o:p></span></div><div class="" style=""><span class="" style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;"></span></div><div class="" style="margin-bottom:0pt; margin-top:0pt; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;"
class="">Mr. Gehrig, if you can find a credible source that states that Topf cremation equipment could cremate bodies in less than 13 minutes then I will concede you have won this argument.</span></div><div class="" style="margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;" class=""><br class="" style=""></span></div><div class="" style="margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman',
'new york', times, serif;" class="">Steve Francis</span></div><div class="" style="margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;" class=""><br class="" style=""></span></div><div class="" style="margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;" class="">ps apologies for the font problems and text problems?</span></div> <div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" style="display: block;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;
font-size: 10pt;" class=""> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""> <div dir="ltr" class="" style=""> <font size="2" face="Arial" class="" style=""> On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 10:55 PM, David Gehrig <david-cu@nukulele.org> wrote:<br class="" style=""> </font> </div> <br class="" style=""><br class="" style=""> <div class="" style=""><div id="yiv0769210388" class="" style=""><div class="" style=""><div class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style=""></div><div class="" style="">On Jun 4, 2014, at 9:36 PM, Stephen Francis <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:stephenf1113@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:stephenf1113@yahoo.com" class="" style="">stephenf1113@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none" class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style=""></div><blockquote type="cite" class="" style=""><div class="" style=""><div
style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;" class=""><div class="" style=""><span class="" style="">I said: "The Truth will honor the victims".</span></div></div></div></blockquote><div class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style=""></div><div class="" style="">Yet you continue to lie about the capacity of the crematoria of Auschwitz, and then run away from it the moment I bring actual fact into the picture. It's almost as if you know that you haven't got a leg to stand on factually, except for tub-thumping rhetoric about Galileo, which is why you duck back into it at the first sign of trouble.</div><div class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style=""></div><blockquote type="cite" class="" style=""><div class="" style=""><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande,
sans-serif;font-size:10pt;" class=""><div class="" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:13px;font-family:HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-style:normal;background-color:transparent;"><span class="" style="">To answer your question, one has to assume that one of us is wrong, duped or lying or all of the above. And our beliefs are so far apart that one of us has to be wrong, duped or lying. </span></div></div></div></blockquote><div class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style=""></div><div class="" style="">So far so good. Now, I have not once but twice now pointed out that your capacity argument is (a) standard neo-Nazi boilerplate and (b) easily shown to be a false comparison, given how different the Nazis treated bodies than modern funeral crematory services do.</div><div class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style=""></div><div class="" style="">What was your response? To pretend you never
heard it. To completely fail to address it.</div><div class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style=""></div><div class="" style="">That sort of thing is really very helpful in determining which of the two of us is lying or duped, don't you think? I've got days and dates on my side -- which is to say, on reality's side -- and all you've got is a bogus argument that even *you* are afraid to defend. Not hard to see who wins that match-up.</div><br clear="none" class="" style=""><blockquote type="cite" class="" style=""><div class="" style=""><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;" class=""><div class="" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:13px;font-family:HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-style:normal;background-color:transparent;"><span class="" style="">Consequently, whoever is the errant
party, they are dishonoring or in varying degrees even profiting from all the victims of all the wars and inhumane acts in our histories.</span></div></div></div></blockquote><div class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style=""></div>Actually, I think you might want to learn what the word "consequently" means, because that's a logical non sequitur. Not your first, either.<div class="" id="yiv0769210388yqtfd27382" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style=""><blockquote type="cite" class="" style=""><div class="" style=""><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;" class=""><div class="" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:13px;font-family:HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-style:normal;background-color:transparent;"><span class="" style="">I'm in the camp that
says 9/11, JFK and the Holocaust are all linked by </span></div></div></div></blockquote></div><div class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style=""></div><div class="" style="">... three-eyed banjo-playing kumquats from the planet Victor Mature. I have PROOF!</div><div class="" id="yiv0769210388yqtfd41740" style=""><div class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style=""></div><div class="" style="">@%<</div><style class="" style="">#yiv0769210388 --
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