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I am not sure why we should care at all about Obama's publicity
stunts.<br>
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I might be some what impressed if Obot released all of the prisoners
but<br>
still I 'd wonder why he was doing it. I'd be a lot more impressed
if he released<br>
Manning, and pardoned and praised him and Snowden and others.<br>
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Any time a prisoner is released it seems to be a good thing.<br>
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Harry Reid is a poster child for what's wrong with Amerika. It's<br>
a bit mind-boggling that there is anyone that likes him. No doubt<br>
the doctor slapped his mother when Harry Reid was born.<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.)
offered a full-throated defense Wednesday of the Obama
administration and its release of senior Taliban commanders to
secure the freedom of Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl.
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"Full-throated defense" seems a bit too graphic if you ask me,<br>
but surely it is an accurate metaphor.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 06/05/2014 03:47 AM, Carl G.
Estabrook via Peace-discuss wrote:<br>
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In regard to "...pressure from the right wing [and] ... from the
left," Chomsky describes "the systems of indoctrination that are
employed, often quite consciously, in ... democratic societies:
let debate rage, but within limits set by fixed presuppositions,
which express the basic interests of power.
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<div>"For example, during the US wars in Indochina, the media and
journals of opinion were happy to sponsor debates between
'hawks,' who argued that the US should resort to greater
violence and destruction, and 'doves,' who argued that our
effort to defend the Vietnamese from terror and foreign attack
was becoming too costly, and that we should seek other means to
attain our noble objectives. The more that debate rages, the
less likely people are to ask the obvious questions: for
example, are we defending Vietnam by attacking it? Fortunately,
great numbers of people broke out of the hawk–dove spectrum,
though very few intellectuals. Much the same holds on many other
issues."
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<div>Right now the administration is desperately afraid that
"great numbers of people [may break] out of the hawk–dove
spectrum." </div>
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<div>If you agree with Carl, do something - like talking to
other Obama opponents - to increase their fears. </div>
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<div>--CGE<br>
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<div>On Jun 4, 2014, at 1:53 PM, Robert Naiman <<a
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<div dir="ltr">It's a shame that you use your energy to
argue for passivity and inaction. Whether you like or
dislike Durbin is not the point. Members of Congress
respond to pressure. Right now they are getting
pressure from the right wing. The question on the
table is whether there should be pressure from the
left.
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<div>Durbin's number is <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:%28202%29%20224-2152"
value="+12022242152" target="_blank"
style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12px">(202)
224-2152</a>. If you agree with Carl, do nothing.</div>
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<div dir="ltr">Robert Naiman<br>
Policy Director<br>
Just Foreign Policy<br>
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target="_blank">www.justforeignpolicy.org</a><br>
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target="_blank">naiman@justforeignpolicy.org</a><br>
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PM, Carl G. Estabrook <span dir="ltr"><<a
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<div style="word-wrap:break-word">Durbin is as
hypocritical as Obama, just dumber.
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<div>We all remember his tears over Gitmo. We
don't remember his reason for them. </div>
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<div>On Jun 4, 2014, at 1:35 PM, Robert
Naiman via Peace-discuss <<a
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href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net"
target="_blank">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a>>
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<div>So, Harry Reid went to the
Senate floor and said this:</div>
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<div>Reid: GOP hypocrites on
Bergdahl<br>
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href="http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/208213-reid-charges-gop-with-hypocrisy-on-bergdahl"
target="_blank">http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/208213-reid-charges-gop-with-hypocrisy-on-bergdahl</a><br>
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<div>Since Durbin has long been
critical of 1) the endless war in
Afghanistan and 2) Gitmo, wouldn't
it make sense for Durbin to speak
up?</div>
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<div>I think so. So I called
Durbin's office and said: I saw
that Senator Reid spoke up. Why
not Senator Durbin?</div>
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<div>You can too:</div>
<div><span style="font-size:12px"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:%28202%29%20224-2152"
value="+12022242152"
target="_blank">(202) 224-2152</a></span><br>
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