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background-color: transparent;" class=""><span class="" style="">at the same time.</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;" class=""><span class="" style=""><br class="" style=""></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;" class=""><span class="" style="">But on a serious note, I did prove the Holocaust is a hoax. I'll do the math again. 1440 bodies cremated per day / 15 ovens =</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;" class=""><span class="" style="">96 bodies
cremated per oven per day (20 hour cycle)... divide 1200 minutes ( 20x60) by 96 = 13.5 minutes = the official time </span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;" class=""><span class="" style="">according to Holocaust believer's theories that bodies were cremated per day at Auschwitz II. This is physically impossible.</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;" class=""><span class="" style=""><br class="" style=""></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;"
class=""><span class="" style="">But as predicted, reaction to my efforts is either that of Mr. Gehrig's insults or a muted "oh well" governments lie all the time (but supportive), sort of attitude, but this is getting too serious, so I think I'll start laughing again.</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;" class=""><br class="" style=""></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;" class=""><span class="" style="font-weight: bold;">This argument has been hashed over for many years and has never undergone serious scientific scrutiny because of the intimidation </span><span style="font-weight: bold; background-color:
transparent;">by Jewish groups at universities in denying access to the quest. Academic Freedom?</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;" class=""><span class="" style=""><br class="" style=""></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;" class=""><span class="" style="">So where did this 1440 figure come from? Well it came from Topf & Sons, the manufacture of the cremation equipment for Auschwitz.</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;" class=""><span
class="" style="">It indeed has no basis in fact. It's just a number that has been repeated hundreds, thousands, tens of thousands, millions of times in Holocaust literature. Just repeating a fabrication millions of times does actually work in making people believe it is true.</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;" class=""><span class="" style=""><br class="" style=""></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;" class=""><span class="" style="">Here are a few examples: <font class="" style=""><a href="http://www.holocaustsurvivors.org/data.show.php?di=record&da=encyclopedia&sf=entry_name&sv=Auschwitz" class="" style="">Holocaustsurvivors.org</a>, <a
href="http://fcit.usf.edu/holocaust/resource/document/DocAusch.htm" class="" style="">Florida Center for Instructional Technology</a>, <a href="http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/body-disposal/" class="" style="">Holocaust History</a>, <a href="http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/biglie.html" class="" style="">Jewish Virtual Library</a></font></span></div><div class="" style="">Many sites offer intricate explanations how this could possibly work, but just looking at the ovens and giving a few seconds thought to the premise, a fifth grader would easily agree it is impossible considering modern morgue facilities can only cremate six bodies in a ten hour period in a continuous process with the ability to handle grossly obese corpses and are computer controlled. </div><div class="" style=""><br class="" style=""></div><div class="" style="font-size: 13px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida
Grande', sans-serif; background-color: transparent;"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal;" class="">But might is still right, which brings to mind that no one in the last couple of days has offered up on this list the recent reports that Israel has announced the building of 1500 new homes</span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: italic; font-weight: bold;" class=""> </span><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 18.987144470214844px;" class=""><span style="font-style: italic; font-weight: bold;" class="">described as a "fitting Zionist response" to the new Palestinian unity government</span>.... </span><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 10pt;" class="">The <span style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(205, 35, 44);" class="">land grab system</span> is working well and the matrix lives on, so all we can do is laugh and cry at the same time, but offer
some resistance and hope that it may take hold some day. Many of the people who say nothing about this are the same people who believe in the official story of the Holocaust. The intimidation lives on.</span></div><div class="" style="font-size: 14px; font-family: arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-style: italic; background-color: transparent;"><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 10pt;" class=""><br class="" style=""></span></div><div class="" style="background-color: transparent;"><span class="" style=""><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: arial, sans-serif;" class=""><a href="http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/05/israel-build-more-homes-settlements" class="" style="">Israel to build 1,500 more homes in settlements</a></span><br class="" style=""></span></div><div style="width:450px; font-family: 'Georgia', 'Times', 'Times New Roman', 'serif';" contenteditable="false" id="enhancrCard_6"
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class="link-enhancr-element" style="word-wrap: break-word; word-break: break-all; padding: 7px 20px 0px 14px;"><span class="link-enhancr-element icon icon-shrink link-enhancr-toggle"></span><span class="link-enhancr-element icon icon-close link-enhancr-delete"></span><a href="http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/05/israel-build-more-homes-settlements" class="link-enhancr-card-urlWrapper link-enhancr-element" style="text-decoration: none !important; color: #000000 !important;"><span class="link-enhancr-element link-enhancr-card-title" style="margin: 0; font-weight: normal;margin-bottom: 4px; font-size: 18px; line-height: 21px; max-height: 43px; color: #000000; overflow: hidden !important; display: inline-block;">Israel to build 1,500 more homes in settlements</span></a><div style="font-size: 13px; line-height: 20px; color: #999999; max-height: 81px; font-family: 'Georgia', 'Times', 'Times New Roman', 'serif';overflow: hidden;"
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font-size: 13px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;">Steve Francis</div><div class="" style=""><br class="" style=""><br class="" style=""></div> <div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" style="display: block;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;" class=""> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""> <div dir="ltr" class="" style=""> <font size="2" face="Arial" class="" style=""> On Thursday, June 5, 2014 11:43 PM, David Gehrig via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net> wrote:<br class="" style=""> </font> </div> <br class="" style=""><br class="" style=""> <div class="" style=""><div id="yiv2022236311" class="" style=""><div class=""
style=""><div class="" style="">This explains a great deal, Carl. You simply don't know what Holocaust denial is. The Wikipedia article isn't a bad place for you to start. </div><div class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style="">@%<</div><div class="" id="yiv2022236311yqt78722" style=""><div class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style="">On Jun 5, 2014, at 6:39 PM, "Carl G. Estabrook" <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:galliher@illinois.edu" target="_blank" href="mailto:galliher@illinois.edu" class="" style="">galliher@illinois.edu</a>> wrote:<br clear="none" class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style=""></div><blockquote type="cite" class="" style=""><div class="" style=""></div></blockquote></div></div><div class="" id="yiv2022236311yqt49492" style=""><div class="" style="">Wayne Johnson does not deserve the slur 'holocaust-denier,' which has been applied to other unlikely targets, like Norman Finkelstein
and Noam Chomsky. <div class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style=""></div><div class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style=""></div><div class="" style=""><div class="" style=""><div class="" style="">On Jun 5, 2014, at 6:27 PM, David Gehrig <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:david-cu@nukulele.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:david-cu@nukulele.org" class="" style="">david-cu@nukulele.org</a>> wrote:</div><br clear="none" class="" style=""><blockquote type="cite" class="" style="">
</blockquote></div></div></div><div class="" style=""><div class="" style=""><div class="" style="">And that, folks, is how Carl Estabrook reacts when someone on this list demonstrates that he embraces Holocaust denial. </div><div class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style=""></div><div class="" style="">A very important gear of yours is missing a certain tooth, the one that should engage at times like this but does not. <br clear="none" class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style="">@%<</div><div class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style="">On Jun 5, 2014, at 5:49 PM, "Carl G. Estabrook" <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:galliher@illinois.edu" target="_blank" href="mailto:galliher@illinois.edu" class="" style="">galliher@illinois.edu</a>> wrote:<br clear="none" class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style=""></div><blockquote type="cite" class="" style="">They're hiding under an (American)
football?<div class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style=""></div><div class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style=""><div class="" style=""><div class="" style="">On Jun 5, 2014, at 1:27 PM, David Gehrig via Peace-discuss <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" class="" style="">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a>> wrote:</div><br clear="none" class="" style=""><blockquote type="cite" class="" style=""><div style="font-family:TimesNewRomanPSMT;font-size:18px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;" class=""><div class="" style="">On Jun 5, 2014, at 12:02 PM, "e.w.johnson 朱稳森" via Peace-discuss <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" target="_blank"
href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" class="" style="">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a>> wrote:<br clear="none" class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style=""></div><blockquote type="cite" class="" style="">Often people feel nauseous </blockquote><br clear="none" class="" style=""><div class="" style="">... in the presence of a nauseating racist -- Francis and you, brothers under the pigskin. </div><div class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style=""></div></div></blockquote></div><br clear="none" class="" style=""></div></blockquote></div><br clear="none" class="" style=""></div></div></div><br class="" style=""><div class="" id="yqt40163" style="">_______________________________________________<br clear="none" class="" style="">Peace-discuss mailing list<br clear="none" class="" style=""><a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" href="mailto:Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" class=""
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