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Go and read Tolstoy on war.<br>
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Then turn off your own enthusiasm and step back <br>
and see what is going on.<br>
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I'm personally waiting for the Weird Al version of the National
Anthem.<br>
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Or maybe a polka mix of National Anthems.<br>
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I think we're all Bozos on this bus.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 06/24/2014 10:22 AM, Stephen Francis
via Peace-discuss wrote:<br>
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<div class="" style=""><span class="" style="">There is a huge
effort centered around Israel and US bankers and the MIC to
start WWIII and there is an even larger effort by Putin and
other cool heads to stop that war because of their knowledge
of how wars were started in the past. They are deftly aware
of false flag attacks and manipulations like 9/11, Gulf of
Tonkin, Lusitania, Archduke Ferdinand, Iraq WMD? Libya
'humanitarianism, Syria 'humanitarianism and how they lead
to war and selective regime change.</span></div>
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transparent;" class=""><span class="" style="">The Harriman,
Dulles and Bush Crime Family </span><span style="font-size:
10pt;" class="">(patriarch Samuel P. Bush) </span><span
style="background-color: transparent;" class="">of Nazi
Germany knew all about this and the Bushes are still with
us. </span></div>
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transparent;" class=""><span class="" style="">Oh and.... I
must have struck a note with CGE to get him to bring out his
favorite 9/11 gatekeeper.... Chomsky.</span></div>
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saying is true.<br class="" style="">
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face="Arial" size="2"> On Monday, June 23, 2014 5:41
PM, Roger Helbig <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:rwhelbig@gmail.com"><rwhelbig@gmail.com></a> wrote:<br
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<div class="" style="">Stephen, </div>
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<div class="" style="">You live in a very nasty,
dangerous FANTASY world - if you really would
not have enjoyed being a storm trooper in Nazi
Germany, you really should look at yourself in a
mirror and change! Just saw the movie A Coffee
in Berlin last night - there is a scene near the
end where an older man describes his father
taking him out to pick up stones and smash
windows. You should watch that and think
because seriously, you don't seem to be doing
much of that in your lemming world.</div>
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4:35 PM, Stephen Francis via Peace-discuss <span
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<div class="" style=""><span class=""
style="">The deligitimization
effort, 9/11 Truth, BDS, refusal to
recognize Israel's existence and the
exposure of the Holocaust hoax ARE
the only ways to really pressure
Israel to make any substantial
changes. </span></div>
<div
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class=""><span class="" style="">Israel
will probably not go away, but it
doesn't have to have the form it's
in now.</span></div>
<div
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:HelveticaNeue,;"
class=""><span class="" style="">Standing
on a street corner or yapping about
Israel's obvious oppressive behavior
is just ineffective dribble.</span></div>
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<span class="" style="">I understand
yours and most people's position on
the Holocaust and am just 'NOT
preaching to the choir'.</span></div>
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<span class="" style="">I'll back off
on the Holocaust subject only
because it is saturated to the point
of ad nauseum at this point.</span></div>
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<span class="" style="">There are
plenty of other ways that are more
subtle, digestible and more
effective in making my point.</span></div>
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<span class="" style="">There are
highly relevant connections between
the people running Obama, the Bush
Crime Family, Soros, Neocons, and
Zionists past and present. Those
people are operating under the same
rules that created the Holocaust
hoax and are still profiting from
them.</span></div>
<div
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:HelveticaNeue,;"
class=""><span class="" style="">Just
look to Ukraine, Syria, Libya and
Iraq for starters. The real motives
behind these past and present events
are not discussed in the MSM. It's
all connected.</span></div>
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style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:HelveticaNeue,;"
class=""><span class="" style="">I've
got to take a break from this list
and just do research for a while so
as to not annoy people who are too
set in their beliefs.</span></div>
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23, 2014 1:19 PM, Stan via
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you Stuart. We can not
change the past. It is
what it is. We just might
be able to change the
future by focusing on that
and letting the past be in
the past.</div>
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I don't know about others
here, but I'm really tired of
hearing about <br class=""
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the Nazi holocaust, pro or
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Stephen and David, could you
please stop pushing each
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Personally I don't take the
issue much more seriously than
I do advocacy <br class=""
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for a geocentric universe. I
prefer the Copernican model,
but I'm not <br class=""
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defending it. There are
open questions <br class=""
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in astronomy but that isn't
among them. There is plenty
of room to be <br class=""
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critical of the current
Israeli government (and of the
US' enabling of <br class=""
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to talk about, for heaven's
sake. Instead <br class=""
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of flame wars, can we talk
about what is happening in,
and what we can <br class=""
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do to oppose, real, present,
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