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<div class="moz-cite-prefix"><big>A<big>strid,<br>
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Medicare for All would NOT be a " second system put in place
". It would make Obamacare null and void and there would no
longer be subsidies from our tax dollars being paid to the
corporate private health insurance industry, which would
realize massive amounts of tax dollars saved in addition to
providing EVERYONE with healthcare.<br>
The healthcare industry is powerful, but they are only one
corporate special interest and hence could be defeated. Look
at the tobacco industry. who would have thought 30 or more
years ago that they could be regulated and curtailed as they
have been in the last several decades.<br>
You do have a valid point about " the need for the whole
country being brought along ".<br>
That is an ongoing tactical debate within the single payer /
Medicare for All movement. The current strategy is to work at
both the State and national levels. Canada was successful in
their battle ( and it was a hard fought battle ) for medicare
for All in the early 1960's by starting in Saskatchewan and
then moving to all of the other provinces. Vermont had a
recent successful voter referendum for a single payer system,
but is currently blocked by a provision in the Obamacare law
prohibiting individual States from enacting a single payer
system until 2017. Nevertheless they have a voter approved
system in law and in place ready to go forward in 2017.<br>
The important thing to remember is that Medicare for All has
the support of over 65 % of the American people, so this is an
issue that cuts through the usual bullshit of identity
politics and party politics. <br>
<br>
The most important thing is that Medicare for All MUST be
fought for. It is decades over due and over 50,00 Americans
die needlessly every year and millions more ( YES Millions )
are forced into bankrupcy every year because of the brutal
inefficient and expensive privatized healthcare system we
currently have.<br>
The Single payer / Medicare for All battle is the new civil
rights movement that MUST be fought for and won.<br>
<br>
David Johnson<br>
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On 7/7/2014 10:05 PM, Astrid Berkson wrote:<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">because we are all paying for
obamacare, as expensive and efficient as it is, to put a second
system in place, no matter how good, would amount to paying
twice, a crushing burden. the healthcare-for -profit industry
has the whole country by the balls. if we had done this before
obamacare, we could be grandfathered in, but, as far as i can
tell, now we have to take the whole country with us<br>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">"May this be the worst day of your life".
Old Irish blessing.</pre>
On 7/7/2014 6:39 PM, David Johnson wrote:<br>
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<font size="+3">Astrid,<br>
<br>
Single payer / Medicare for all is a self financing system.<br>
It has nothing to do with Illinois being bankrupt. In fact, if
passed it would save Illinois tens if not hundreds of millions
of dollars by eliminating the private health insurance
industry's monopoly control over healthcare costs to not just
individuals but also to those in the Illinois Medicaid /
Medicare program.<br>
It also has NOTHING to do with Obamacare, which is the nemesis
to Medicare for all universal coverage, in that Obamacare's
function is to entrench and expand the corporate private
health insurance industry via fines to individuals for
refusing to comply and taxpayer dollars given to the
corporate health insurance industry for inadequate healthcare
coverage.<br>
Not to mention the corporate / privatization of segments of
Medicare / Medicaid via the Medicare Advantage program.<br>
Universal Medicare for All would reverse the wasteful spending
via corporate subsidies to the corporate health insurance
industry and at the same time provide healthcare coverage to
EVERYONE, <br>
UNLIKE OBAMACARE !<br>
<br>
David J.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/7/2014 6:18 PM, Astrid Berkson
wrote:<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">illinois is bankrupt. unless this
can be funded through obamacare, it is a nonstarter. before
we were bankrupt, they considered a law like this and i
think obama killed it in committee.<br>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">"May this be the worst day of your life".
Old Irish blessing.</pre>
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<p> <span class="heading2">Short Description:</span> <span
class="content">IL UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE ACT</span><br>
<br>
<span class="heading2">House Sponsors</span><br>
<span class="content">Rep. </span><a
moz-do-not-send="true" class="content"
href="http://www.ilga.gov/house/Rep.asp?MemberID=1831">Mary
E. Flowers</a> - <a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="content"
href="http://www.ilga.gov/house/Rep.asp?MemberID=2002">Kelly
M. Cassidy</a> - <a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="content"
href="http://www.ilga.gov/house/Rep.asp?MemberID=1882">Linda
Chapa LaVia</a> - <a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="content"
href="http://www.ilga.gov/house/Rep.asp?MemberID=1931">Greg
Harris</a> - <a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="content"
href="http://www.ilga.gov/house/Rep.asp?MemberID=1941">La
Shawn K. Ford</a><span class="content"> and </span><a
moz-do-not-send="true" class="content"
href="http://www.ilga.gov/house/Rep.asp?MemberID=2039">Emanuel
Chris Welch</a><br>
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<span class="heading2">Last Action</span><br>
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<td class="whiteheading" align="center"
bgcolor="navy" width="13%">Date</td>
<td class="whiteheading" align="center"
bgcolor="navy" width="12%">Chamber</td>
<td class="whiteheading" align="left"
bgcolor="navy" width="75%"> Action</td>
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<tr>
<td class="content" align="right" width="13%"> 4/11/2014</td>
<td class="content" align="center" width="12%">House</td>
<td class="content" align="left" width="75%">Rule
19(a) / Re-referred to <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.ilga.gov/house/committees/members.asp?committeeID=1197">Rules
Committee</a></td>
</tr>
</tbody>
</table>
<br>
<span class="heading2">Statutes Amended In Order of
Appearance</span><br>
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<tr>
<td width="20"><br>
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<td class="content" align="left" valign="top"
width="250">New Act</td>
<td class="content" align="left" valign="top"
width="300"><br>
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</tr>
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<br>
<span class="heading2">Synopsis As Introduced</span><br>
<span class="content"> Creates the Illinois
Universal Health Care Act. Provides that all
individuals residing in the State are covered
under the Illinois Health Services Program for
health insurance. Sets forth the health coverage
benefits that participants are entitled to under
the Program. Sets forth the qualification
requirements for participating health providers.
Sets forth standards for provider reimbursement.
Provides that it is unlawful for private health
insurers to sell health insurance coverage that
duplicates the coverage of the Program. Provides
that investor-ownership of health delivery
facilities is unlawful. Provides that the State
shall establish the Illinois Health Services Trust
to provide financing for the Program. Sets forth
the requirements for claims billing under the
Program. Provides that the Program shall include
funding for long-term care services and mental
health services. Provides that the Program shall
establish a single prescription drug formulary and
list of approved durable medical goods and
supplies. Creates the Pharmaceutical and Durable
Medical Goods Committee to negotiate the prices of
pharmaceuticals and durable medical goods with
suppliers or manufacturers on an open bid
competitive basis. Sets forth provisions
concerning patients' rights. Provides that the
employees of the Program shall be compensated in
accordance with the current pay scale for State
employees and as deemed professionally appropriate
by the General Assembly.</span><br>
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<span class="heading2">Actions</span><a
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bordercolor="black" width="600">
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<tr>
<td class="whiteheading" align="center"
bgcolor="navy" width="13%">Date</td>
<td class="whiteheading" align="center"
bgcolor="navy" width="12%">Chamber</td>
<td class="whiteheading" align="left"
bgcolor="navy" width="75%"> Action</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td class="content" align="right" valign="top"
width="13%"> 1/24/2013</td>
<td class="content" align="center"
valign="top" width="12%">House</td>
<td class="content" align="left" valign="top"
width="75%">Filed with the Clerk by <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.ilga.gov/house/rep.asp?GA=98&MemberID=1831">Rep.
Mary E. Flowers</a></td>
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<tr>
<td class="content" align="right" valign="top"
width="13%"> <b>1/25/2013</b></td>
<td class="content" align="center"
valign="top" width="12%"><b>House</b></td>
<td class="content" align="left" valign="top"
width="75%"><b>First Reading</b></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td class="content" align="right" valign="top"
width="13%"> 1/25/2013</td>
<td class="content" align="center"
valign="top" width="12%">House</td>
<td class="content" align="left" valign="top"
width="75%">Referred to <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.ilga.gov/house/committees/members.asp?GA=98&committeeID=1197">Rules
Committee</a></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td class="content" align="right" valign="top"
width="13%"> 2/4/2013</td>
<td class="content" align="center"
valign="top" width="12%">House</td>
<td class="content" align="left" valign="top"
width="75%">Assigned to <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.ilga.gov/house/committees/members.asp?GA=98&committeeID=1188">Health
Care Availability and Accessibility
Committee</a></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td class="content" align="right" valign="top"
width="13%"> 2/8/2013</td>
<td class="content" align="center"
valign="top" width="12%">House</td>
<td class="content" align="left" valign="top"
width="75%">Added Chief Co-Sponsor <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.ilga.gov/house/rep.asp?GA=98&MemberID=2002">Rep.
Kelly M. Cassidy</a></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td class="content" align="right" valign="top"
width="13%"> 2/26/2013</td>
<td class="content" align="center"
valign="top" width="12%">House</td>
<td class="content" align="left" valign="top"
width="75%">Added Chief Co-Sponsor <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.ilga.gov/house/rep.asp?GA=98&MemberID=1882">Rep.
Linda Chapa LaVia</a></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td class="content" align="right" valign="top"
width="13%"> 2/26/2013</td>
<td class="content" align="center"
valign="top" width="12%">House</td>
<td class="content" align="left" valign="top"
width="75%">Added Chief Co-Sponsor <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.ilga.gov/house/rep.asp?GA=98&MemberID=1941">Rep.
La Shawn K. Ford</a></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td class="content" align="right" valign="top"
width="13%"> 2/27/2013</td>
<td class="content" align="center"
valign="top" width="12%">House</td>
<td class="content" align="left" valign="top"
width="75%">Added Chief Co-Sponsor <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.ilga.gov/house/rep.asp?GA=98&MemberID=1931">Rep.
Greg Harris</a></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td class="content" align="right" valign="top"
width="13%"> 2/27/2013</td>
<td class="content" align="center"
valign="top" width="12%">House</td>
<td class="content" align="left" valign="top"
width="75%">Chief Co-Sponsor Changed to <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.ilga.gov/house/rep.asp?GA=98&MemberID=1931">Rep.
Greg Harris</a></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td class="content" align="right" valign="top"
width="13%"> 3/7/2013</td>
<td class="content" align="center"
valign="top" width="12%">House</td>
<td class="content" align="left" valign="top"
width="75%">Added Co-Sponsor <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.ilga.gov/house/rep.asp?GA=98&MemberID=2039">Rep.
Emanuel Chris Welch</a></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td class="content" align="right" valign="top"
width="13%"> 3/21/2013</td>
<td class="content" align="center"
valign="top" width="12%">House</td>
<td class="content" align="left" valign="top"
width="75%">Do Pass / Short Debate <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.ilga.gov/house/committees/members.asp?GA=98&committeeID=1188">Health
Care Availability and Accessibility
Committee</a>; 005-003-000</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td class="content" align="right" valign="top"
width="13%"> 3/22/2013</td>
<td class="content" align="center"
valign="top" width="12%">House</td>
<td class="content" align="left" valign="top"
width="75%">Placed on Calendar 2nd Reading -
Short Debate</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td class="content" align="right" valign="top"
width="13%"> <b>4/18/2013</b></td>
<td class="content" align="center"
valign="top" width="12%"><b>House</b></td>
<td class="content" align="left" valign="top"
width="75%"><b>Second Reading - Short Debate</b></td>
</tr>
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<td class="content" align="right" valign="top"
width="13%"> 4/18/2013</td>
<td class="content" align="center"
valign="top" width="12%">House</td>
<td class="content" align="left" valign="top"
width="75%">Held on Calendar Order of Second
Reading - Short Debate</td>
</tr>
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<td class="content" align="right" valign="top"
width="13%"> 4/19/2013</td>
<td class="content" align="center"
valign="top" width="12%">House</td>
<td class="content" align="left" valign="top"
width="75%">Rule 19(a) / Re-referred to <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.ilga.gov/house/committees/members.asp?GA=98&committeeID=1197">Rules
Committee</a></td>
</tr>
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<td class="content" align="right" valign="top"
width="13%"> 2/11/2014</td>
<td class="content" align="center"
valign="top" width="12%">House</td>
<td class="content" align="left" valign="top"
width="75%">Approved for Consideration <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.ilga.gov/house/committees/members.asp?GA=98&committeeID=1197">Rules
Committee</a>; 003-001-000</td>
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<td class="content" align="right" valign="top"
width="13%"> 2/11/2014</td>
<td class="content" align="center"
valign="top" width="12%">House</td>
<td class="content" align="left" valign="top"
width="75%">Placed on Calendar 2nd Reading -
Short Debate</td>
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<td class="content" align="right" valign="top"
width="13%"> <b>4/11/2014</b></td>
<td class="content" align="center"
valign="top" width="12%"><b>House</b></td>
<td class="content" align="left" valign="top"
width="75%"><b>Rule 19(a) / Re-referred to <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.ilga.gov/house/committees/members.asp?committeeID=1197">Rules
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