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<font size="+3">Stan,<br>
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What Carl has stated are historical facts.<br>
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I liked Jimmy Carter his first two years, but then he started to
listen to assholes like Kissinger and Brezinski. His last two
years were also the beghining of de-regulation of the Trucking and
Airline industry, as well giving sanctuary to the Shah of Iran
which was the catalyst for the u.S. Embassy hostage crisis. During
this same period as Carl documents, the Carter administration
began to destabalize the progressive left-wing government of
Afganistan, by organizing, training and financing some of the most
extreme Islamic religious fanatics to attack ; schools, hospitals
and agricultural extension offices, which eventually destabalized
the government and led to the Afganistan government to ask the
USSR for assistance and the religious fanatics eventually became
Al Queda (sp. ).<br>
The rest is history.<br>
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The point here Stan, is that we the people have lost control of
OUR government. You can't blame all the bullshit that has happened
in the last 30 some years on the republicans. The democrats have
also done their fair share of damage. Both the Dems and the
republicans are financed by corporate special interests. Often
times the SAME corporate special interests.<br>
<br>
David Johnson<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/10/2014 8:15 PM, Stan via
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<div>You guys are so wrong the light from wrong can not reach
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"C. G. Estabrook via OccupyCU" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:occupycu@lists.chambana.net"><occupycu@lists.chambana.net></a>
wrote:<br>
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This is consistent US policy, for at least 40 years, Democrat as
well as Republican.<br>
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The Carter administration (1977-81) invented modern jihadism by
rounding up the most fanatical fighters it could find in the
Mideast, arming them in the most expensive CIA operation to date,
and sending them into Afghanistan (*before* the Russian invasion)
"to give the Soviets a Vietnam of their own"!<br>
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Carter's Russophobe National Security Advisor, Zbigniew Brzezinski
(also an adviser to Obama's presidential campaign), famously told
an interviewer from Le Nouvel Observateur in 1998, "What is most
important to the history of the world? ... Some stirred-up Moslems
or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the cold war?"<br>
<br>
The "few stirred-up Muslims" came to include al-Qaeda and the
perpetrators of the 9/11/2001 attacks. <br>
<br>
Divide et impera, the Roman imperial maxim, has guided US attempts
to promote conflict and play both sides against the middle in
order to secure control of the Mideast energy resources, "the
world's greatest material prize," as the US State Department
declared in 1945. <br>
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In this century that has meant a purposeful US policy of setting
Sunni against Shia in a vicious regional civil war, which had not
existed before the US invaded Afghanistan and Iraq. <br>
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--CGE<br>
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On Jul 10, 2014, at 7:33 AM, Stephen Francis via Peace-discuss
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net"><peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net></a> wrote:<br>
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> (and mostly funded by Saudi Arabia, Israel)<br>
> Reports: U.S. trained ISIS fighters in Jordan<br>
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> Reports: U.S. trained ISIS fighters in Jordan<br>
> Citing what it called "informed Jordanian officials," WND
reported Tuesday that members of the Islamic State of Iraq and the
Levant, or ISIS, were trained b...<br>
> View on <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.examiner.com">www.examiner.com</a><br>
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> Citing what it called "informed Jordanian officials," WND
reported Tuesday that members of the Islamic State of Iraq and the
Levant, or ISIS, were trained by U.S. instructors at a secret base
inJordan. According to the report, the training was conducted in
2012 and was intended to help ISIS fight the Assad regime.<br>
> The officials said those receiving training were vetted for
links to extremist groups like al-Qaeda.<br>
> WND first reported the training in February 2012. Since then,
other media outlets have corroborated those reports. In March
2013, Reuters, citing Der Spiegel, said that some 200 men had
received training. The goal was to train about 1,200 fighters of
the "Free Syrian Army."<br>
> Those reports did not specify if the instructors were
military or civilian, but some reportedly wore uniforms. The
training, Reuters added, focused on the use of anti-tank weaponry.
It is also unclear how many of those trained are now fighting in
Iraq.<br>
> According to Reuters, the UK Guardian also reported the
training, adding that British and French instructors participated
in the U.S.-led effort. The Guardian, Reuters said, cited unnamed
Jordanian security sources, who were also reportedly involved in
the program, hoping to "prevent Salafists (radical Islamists)
crossing from their own country into Syria and then returning
later to stir up trouble in Jordan itself."<br>
> A Defense Department spokesman declined to comment on Der
Spiegel's report, Reuters added. France and Britain have also
refused to comment on the report.<br>
> WND said Jordanian officials spoke to them out of concerns
the sectarian violence in Iraq could spill over into Jordan.<br>
> "ISIS previously posted a video on YouTube threatening to
move on Jordan and “slaughter” King Abdullah, whom they view as an
enemy of Islam," Aaron Klein said.<br>
> A Shiite source in contact with a highly-placed official in
the government of Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki reportedly
called Obama an "accomplice" in the attacks against the Maliki
government and told WND that one training camp is in the vicinity
of Incirlik Air Base near Adana, Turkey, where U.S. military
personnel are stationed.<br>
> Another report says the Obama administration delivered about
65,000 ready-to-eat meals, or MREs, to Sunni rebels in Aleppo,
Syria. Additionally, the Wall Street Journal reported Tuesday that
Obama has ruled out immediate air strikes against ISIS in Iraq.
The reason, WSJ said, is lack of intelligence on the ground in
Iraq.<br>
> Obama is set to meet with GOP and Democratic leaders
Wednesday to brief them on what is being called a "comprehensive
approach" to the situation in Iraq.<br>
> “What the president is focused on is a comprehensive
strategy, not just a quick military response,” said one senior
administration official. “While there may potentially be a
military component to it, it’s a much broader effort.”<br>
> Meanwhile, ISIS is reportedly battling Iraqi military forces
on the outskirts of Baghdad.<br>
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