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<td>Re: [Peace-discuss] [OccupyCU] ISIS trained by US
reports Examiner, PressTV, Reuters, Der Spiegel</td>
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<td>Sat, 12 Jul 2014 09:03:30 -0500</td>
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<td>David Johnson <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:davidjohnson1451@comcast.net"><davidjohnson1451@comcast.net></a></td>
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<font size="+3">You are the one who has consistently ignored facts
when they have been presented to you. <br>
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David J.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/12/2014 4:44 AM, Roger Helbig
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<div>rather doubt that you would recognize a fact if you fell
over it - and I am sure that you have never said this
directly to former President Carter - I expect that Saudis
helped fund pushing the Soviets out of Afghanistan. Far as
US training ISIS, I rather think that is preposterous since
the forerunners of ISIS fought as foreign fighters in Iraq -
they may have practiced their art of killing against the US,
but were not trained by them. They clearly were in Fallujah
since Marines encountered fortified positions similar to
those used in Chechnya and the ISIS commander is Chechen.
What I do not quite understand is why Putin has not put him
out of his misery since he now threatens the entire world.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 6:45 PM,
David Johnson via Peace-discuss <span dir="ltr"><<a
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<div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> <font size="+3">Stan,<br>
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What Carl has stated are historical facts.<br>
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I liked Jimmy Carter his first two years, but then he
started to listen to assholes like Kissinger and
Brezinski. His last two years were also the beghining
of de-regulation of the Trucking and Airline industry,
as well giving sanctuary to the Shah of Iran which was
the catalyst for the u.S. Embassy hostage crisis.
During this same period as Carl documents, the Carter
administration began to destabalize the progressive
left-wing government of Afganistan, by organizing,
training and financing some of the most extreme
Islamic religious fanatics to attack ; schools,
hospitals and agricultural extension offices, which
eventually destabalized the government and led to the
Afganistan government to ask the USSR for assistance
and the religious fanatics eventually became Al Queda
(sp. ).<br>
The rest is history.<br>
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The point here Stan, is that we the people have lost
control of OUR government. You can't blame all the
bullshit that has happened in the last 30 some years
on the republicans. The democrats have also done their
fair share of damage. Both the Dems and the
republicans are financed by corporate special
interests. Often times the SAME corporate special
interests.<br>
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David Johnson<br>
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<div>On 7/10/2014 8:15 PM, Stan via Peace-discuss wrote:<br>
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<div>You guys are so wrong the light from wrong can
not reach you.</div>
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<div><font style="color:rgb(51,51,51)"><i>Sent from
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"C. G. Estabrook via OccupyCU" <a
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wrote:<br>
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This is consistent US policy, for at least 40 years,
Democrat as well as Republican.<br>
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The Carter administration (1977-81) invented modern
jihadism by rounding up the most fanatical fighters it
could find in the Mideast, arming them in the most
expensive CIA operation to date, and sending them into
Afghanistan (*before* the Russian invasion) "to give
the Soviets a Vietnam of their own"!<br>
<br>
Carter's Russophobe National Security Advisor,
Zbigniew Brzezinski (also an adviser to Obama's
presidential campaign), famously told an interviewer
from Le Nouvel Observateur in 1998, "What is most
important to the history of the world? ... Some
stirred-up Moslems or the liberation of Central Europe
and the end of the cold war?"<br>
<br>
The "few stirred-up Muslims" came to include al-Qaeda
and the perpetrators of the 9/11/2001 attacks. <br>
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Divide et impera, the Roman imperial maxim, has guided
US attempts to promote conflict and play both sides
against the middle in order to secure control of the
Mideast energy resources, "the world's greatest
material prize," as the US State Department declared
in 1945. <br>
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In this century that has meant a purposeful US policy
of setting Sunni against Shia in a vicious regional
civil war, which had not existed before the US invaded
Afghanistan and Iraq. <br>
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--CGE<br>
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On Jul 10, 2014, at 7:33 AM, Stephen Francis via
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> (and mostly funded by Saudi Arabia, Israel)<br>
> Reports: U.S. trained ISIS fighters in Jordan<br>
> <br>
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> Reports: U.S. trained ISIS fighters in Jordan<br>
> Citing what it called "informed Jordanian
officials," WND reported Tuesday that members of the
Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, or ISIS, were
trained b...<br>
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> Citing what it called "informed Jordanian
officials," WND reported Tuesday that members of the
Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, or ISIS, were
trained by U.S. instructors at a secret base inJordan.
According to the report, the training was conducted in
2012 and was intended to help ISIS fight the Assad
regime.<br>
> The officials said those receiving training were
vetted for links to extremist groups like al-Qaeda.<br>
> WND first reported the training in February 2012.
Since then, other media outlets have corroborated
those reports. In March 2013, Reuters, citing Der
Spiegel, said that some 200 men had received training.
The goal was to train about 1,200 fighters of the
"Free Syrian Army."<br>
> Those reports did not specify if the instructors
were military or civilian, but some reportedly wore
uniforms. The training, Reuters added, focused on the
use of anti-tank weaponry. It is also unclear how many
of those trained are now fighting in Iraq.<br>
> According to Reuters, the UK Guardian also
reported the training, adding that British and French
instructors participated in the U.S.-led effort. The
Guardian, Reuters said, cited unnamed Jordanian
security sources, who were also reportedly involved in
the program, hoping to "prevent Salafists (radical
Islamists) crossing from their own country into Syria
and then returning later to stir up trouble in Jordan
itself."<br>
> A Defense Department spokesman declined to
comment on Der Spiegel's report, Reuters added. France
and Britain have also refused to comment on the
report.<br>
> WND said Jordanian officials spoke to them out of
concerns the sectarian violence in Iraq could spill
over into Jordan.<br>
> "ISIS previously posted a video on YouTube
threatening to move on Jordan and “slaughter” King
Abdullah, whom they view as an enemy of Islam," Aaron
Klein said.<br>
> A Shiite source in contact with a highly-placed
official in the government of Iraqi Prime Minister
Nouri al-Maliki reportedly called Obama an
"accomplice" in the attacks against the Maliki
government and told WND that one training camp is in
the vicinity of Incirlik Air Base near Adana, Turkey,
where U.S. military personnel are stationed.<br>
> Another report says the Obama administration
delivered about 65,000 ready-to-eat meals, or MREs, to
Sunni rebels in Aleppo, Syria. Additionally, the Wall
Street Journal reported Tuesday that Obama has ruled
out immediate air strikes against ISIS in Iraq. The
reason, WSJ said, is lack of intelligence on the
ground in Iraq.<br>
> Obama is set to meet with GOP and Democratic
leaders Wednesday to brief them on what is being
called a "comprehensive approach" to the situation in
Iraq.<br>
> “What the president is focused on is a
comprehensive strategy, not just a quick military
response,” said one senior administration official.
“While there may potentially be a military component
to it, it’s a much broader effort.”<br>
> Meanwhile, ISIS is reportedly battling Iraqi
military forces on the outskirts of Baghdad.<br>
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