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<big><big><big>An Iraqi friend of mine several years ago told me
that there were few if any real problems between Sunni and
Shiaa until after the U.S. invasion in 2003.<br>
It is NOT " America's fault ". The PEOPLE of the U.S. didn't
cause the current problems in the Middle East, but the ruling
elite 1 % of the U.S. and the U.K. most certainly did.<br>
With the British ( and other Colonial Imperialist European
powers in the past ) it goes back even before World War II and
Churchhill was fond of the use of " divide and conquer " in
order to control invaded and occupied countries to exploit and
rob the natural resources of countries as well as their cheap
labor in order to enrich the 1 %.<br>
Same game different players.<br>
WE the PEOPLE must put an end to this.<br>
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David J.<br>
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On 7/12/2014 10:32 AM, Stan wrote:<br>
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<div>It was definitely wrong to think a religious leader would
embrace democracy but it is far more wrong to ignore 1,500
years a struggle between Sunni and Shiaa religious extremists
by pretending all Mid East trouble is Americas fault. We do
own a majority of the recent blame but if the seed were not
there we could not have grown it.</div>
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David Johnson <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:davidjohnson1451@comcast.net"><davidjohnson1451@comcast.net></a> wrote:<br>
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What Carl has stated are historical facts.<br>
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I liked Jimmy Carter his first two years, but then he started to
listen to assholes like Kissinger and Brezinski. His last two
years were also the beghining of de-regulation of the Trucking
and Airline industry, as well giving sanctuary to the Shah of
Iran which was the catalyst for the u.S. Embassy hostage crisis.
During this same period as Carl documents, the Carter
administration began to destabalize the progressive left-wing
government of Afganistan, by organizing, training and financing
some of the most extreme Islamic religious fanatics to attack ;
schools, hospitals and agricultural extension offices, which
eventually destabalized the government and led to the Afganistan
government to ask the USSR for assistance and the religious
fanatics eventually became Al Queda (sp. ).<br>
The rest is history.<br>
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The point here Stan, is that we the people have lost control of
OUR government. You can't blame all the bullshit that has
happened in the last 30 some years on the republicans. The
democrats have also done their fair share of damage. Both the
Dems and the republicans are financed by corporate special
interests. Often times the SAME corporate special interests.<br>
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David Johnson<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/10/2014 8:15 PM, Stan via
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<div>You guys are so wrong the light from wrong can not reach
you.</div>
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"C. G. Estabrook via OccupyCU" <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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This is consistent US policy, for at least 40 years, Democrat as
well as Republican.<br>
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The Carter administration (1977-81) invented modern jihadism by
rounding up the most fanatical fighters it could find in the
Mideast, arming them in the most expensive CIA operation to
date, and sending them into Afghanistan (*before* the Russian
invasion) "to give the Soviets a Vietnam of their own"!<br>
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Carter's Russophobe National Security Advisor, Zbigniew
Brzezinski (also an adviser to Obama's presidential campaign),
famously told an interviewer from Le Nouvel Observateur in 1998,
"What is most important to the history of the world? ... Some
stirred-up Moslems or the liberation of Central Europe and the
end of the cold war?"<br>
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The "few stirred-up Muslims" came to include al-Qaeda and the
perpetrators of the 9/11/2001 attacks. <br>
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Divide et impera, the Roman imperial maxim, has guided US
attempts to promote conflict and play both sides against the
middle in order to secure control of the Mideast energy
resources, "the world's greatest material prize," as the US
State Department declared in 1945. <br>
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In this century that has meant a purposeful US policy of setting
Sunni against Shia in a vicious regional civil war, which had
not existed before the US invaded Afghanistan and Iraq. <br>
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--CGE<br>
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On Jul 10, 2014, at 7:33 AM, Stephen Francis via Peace-discuss <a
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> (and mostly funded by Saudi Arabia, Israel)<br>
> Reports: U.S. trained ISIS fighters in Jordan<br>
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> Reports: U.S. trained ISIS fighters in Jordan<br>
> Citing what it called "informed Jordanian officials," WND
reported Tuesday that members of the Islamic State of Iraq and
the Levant, or ISIS, were trained b...<br>
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> Citing what it called "informed Jordanian officials," WND
reported Tuesday that members of the Islamic State of Iraq and
the Levant, or ISIS, were trained by U.S. instructors at a
secret base inJordan. According to the report, the training was
conducted in 2012 and was intended to help ISIS fight the Assad
regime.<br>
> The officials said those receiving training were vetted for
links to extremist groups like al-Qaeda.<br>
> WND first reported the training in February 2012. Since
then, other media outlets have corroborated those reports. In
March 2013, Reuters, citing Der Spiegel, said that some 200 men
had received training. The goal was to train about 1,200
fighters of the "Free Syrian Army."<br>
> Those reports did not specify if the instructors were
military or civilian, but some reportedly wore uniforms. The
training, Reuters added, focused on the use of anti-tank
weaponry. It is also unclear how many of those trained are now
fighting in Iraq.<br>
> According to Reuters, the UK Guardian also reported the
training, adding that British and French instructors
participated in the U.S.-led effort. The Guardian, Reuters said,
cited unnamed Jordanian security sources, who were also
reportedly involved in the program, hoping to "prevent Salafists
(radical Islamists) crossing from their own country into Syria
and then returning later to stir up trouble in Jordan itself."<br>
> A Defense Department spokesman declined to comment on Der
Spiegel's report, Reuters added. France and Britain have also
refused to comment on the report.<br>
> WND said Jordanian officials spoke to them out of concerns
the sectarian violence in Iraq could spill over into Jordan.<br>
> "ISIS previously posted a video on YouTube threatening to
move on Jordan and “slaughter” King Abdullah, whom they view as
an enemy of Islam," Aaron Klein said.<br>
> A Shiite source in contact with a highly-placed official in
the government of Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki
reportedly called Obama an "accomplice" in the attacks against
the Maliki government and told WND that one training camp is in
the vicinity of Incirlik Air Base near Adana, Turkey, where U.S.
military personnel are stationed.<br>
> Another report says the Obama administration delivered
about 65,000 ready-to-eat meals, or MREs, to Sunni rebels in
Aleppo, Syria. Additionally, the Wall Street Journal reported
Tuesday that Obama has ruled out immediate air strikes against
ISIS in Iraq. The reason, WSJ said, is lack of intelligence on
the ground in Iraq.<br>
> Obama is set to meet with GOP and Democratic leaders
Wednesday to brief them on what is being called a "comprehensive
approach" to the situation in Iraq.<br>
> “What the president is focused on is a comprehensive
strategy, not just a quick military response,” said one senior
administration official. “While there may potentially be a
military component to it, it’s a much broader effort.”<br>
> Meanwhile, ISIS is reportedly battling Iraqi military
forces on the outskirts of Baghdad.<br>
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