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The anger should be focused at the US Government.<br>
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I don't share the Pollyanna attitude toward the US Government and
either<br>
of the parties that anything really good will be done by any of
them.<br>
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The US stopped the draft and thereby took away one major source<br>
of opposition against the evil it does around the world.<br>
It has found other ways that dont excite the people.<br>
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Striking at the root often seems unbalanced.<br>
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Kerry should not be expected to find his arse with the use of both
hands <br>
let alone find a "cease fire".<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 07/26/2014 12:15 PM, Brussel, Morton
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It is not a question of responsibility; it is a question of anger
and outrage at what is being perpetrated by « facts on the
ground ». Massive protests against what an ally of the U.S. is
doing by its nature reflects back on why « we" support such an
ally. That is why Kerry is trying to find a cease fire.
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<div><i>There was no balance in Carl’s tirade</i>, and I believe
on that score that it was counterproductive. </div>
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<div>People all over the globe are protesting Israel’s behavior,
and that is important. I wish there were even greater
protests—against Israel, and yes against all those governments
who support that rogue state. They hinge together. </div>
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<div>On Jul 25, 2014, at 10:04 PM, ewjohnson via Peace-discuss
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<blockquote type="cite">Indeed Americans have more
responsibility for what their "country" does than<br>
what Netan-yahoo et al. do.<br>
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Complaining about Israel is about as useful as pointing at
Norway with yer fist.<br>
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Americans bear the corporate responsibility for what their
government does.<br>
They had the ability to sack the oligarchy but they have
chosen to support it<br>
with their lives and substance because they love Big
Sibling.<br>
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I recall that Jesse Jackson also said that Obama ought to be
castigated,<br>
no, that was castrated. Ah, same difference.<br>
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On 07/26/2014 10:23 AM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss
wrote:<br>
<blockquote type="cite">Putting aside the attempt to
describe accurately what's going on, I might ask, Where
would public outrage by Americans do more good?<br>
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Netanyahu can probably regard being insulted in Urbana
with equanimity, but Obama remembers that castigation from
Americans brought down Presidents Johnson and Nixon.<br>
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See his discussion of Vietnam protests in 'Audacity of
Hope.' And note the DHS' stockpiling of ammunition,
Pentagon-funded university studies of social unrest, and
the administration's obvious nervousness about public
protests in the coming months as the Great Recession
continues for all but the 1%.<br>
<br>
"...that the U.S. bears heavy ... responsibility [for] the
atrocities committed by Israel in Gaza" has (in Henry
Kissinger's phrase) "the added virtue of being true."<br>
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--CGE<br>
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On Jul 25, 2014, at 8:58 PM, Brussel, Morton K <<a
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<blockquote type="cite">I’m afraid that it is true that
Carl seems more interested in castigating—thinks it more
important—Obama, the U.S. government et al., then in
accenting the atrocities committed by Israel in Gaza and
elsewhere. Of course, he is right that the U.S. bears
heavy (but not total) responsibility, but the killers on
the ground are let off scot free. This is inimical to
what we would hope to be continued intense public
outrage about the Israeli aggression. The focus has been
marred,.<br>
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—mkb<br>
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On Jul 25, 2014, at 6:16 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via
Peace-discuss <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<blockquote type="cite">I appreciate being asked to
speak at the Gaza Protest today, as a representative
of AWARE.<br>
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My remarks were as follows:<br>
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[1.] We must ask, Who is responsible for the Israeli
military assault on Gaza? Many people can be blamed
for Israel’s committing what the Nuremberg Tribunal
called “the supreme international crime - launching
aggressive war” - but the final responsibility lies
with the President of the United State.<br>
[2.] Without the support - economic, military,
political, and diplomatic - that the US government
provides, Israel’s crimes would not be possible.<br>
[3.] But the US does not provide this support because
of undue influence from the government of Israel or
the Israel lobby, as some people argue. The US
government supports Israel - and its oppression of
Palestinians - because Israel is America’s “stationary
aircraft carrier” in the Mideast.<br>
[4.] Most Americans think of US war in the Mideast as
beginning after 9/11/2001, with the American invasions
of Afghanistan and Iraq, but in fact our government
has been killing people in the Mideast since the
Second World War to secure control of what the US
State Department called then “the world’s greatest
material prize,” Mideast gas/oil.<br>
[5.] The US government demands not just access to
Mideast energy resources but control of them, because
a strangle-hold over world energy flows gives the US
the advantage over its economic rivals in Europe and
Asia, notably Russia and China.<br>
[6.] Obama could stop the killing in Gaza with a word.
President Eisenhower did it in 1956, when Israel was
far less dependent on the US than it is today. But
Obama refuses to stop the killing, because it’s been
the policy of all US administrations for two
generations to allow the Israelis to continue their
oppression of the Palestinians so long as Israel
supports and participates in American imperial control
in the Mideast.<br>
[7.] We Americans, appalled at the dead children whom
Israel has killed in Gaza, should direct our protest
at the child-killer in the White House. Obama has
killed 5,000 people with drones alone (200 of them
children). He and his Israeli clients must be made to
stop.<br>
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--CGE<br>
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