<html>
<head>
<meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type">
</head>
<body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
<font size="+3">Stephen,<br>
<br>
First of all, there are other people on this list and in AWARE
besides myself who do NOT believe the " official " Bush Admin /
Corporate media fairytale about the 9-11-2001 attacks.<br>
There are many people on the " LEFT " who also do not believe the
<br>
" official " story, like ; the late Howard Zinn, Michael
Parrentti, and Cynthia McKinney, just to name a few.<br>
<br>
The problem Stephen is that you have totally discredited yourself
with the neo-Nazi / anti-semiticsm shit you have posted.<br>
Therefore nobody is going to take anything you say seriously,
regardless of how true and accurate it may be.<br>
<br>
And by attacking Carl E., Chomsky, and anyone else who has a
proven record of being anti-war and anti-Zionist and accusing them
of being " Zionist Gatekeepers ", just because they may differ
with you on tactics and / or disagree with you about other topics,
is not helping you either.<br>
Your just throwing more gasoline on the fire and wondering why you
keep getting burned.<br>
<br>
David Johnson<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
</font>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/4/2014 12:03 PM, Stephen Francis
via Peace-discuss wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote
cite="mid:1407171833.5257.YahooMailNeo@web163201.mail.gq1.yahoo.com"
type="cite">
<div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff;
font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial,
Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:10pt">
<div id="yiv7901158096">
<div>
<div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: HelveticaNeue,
'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande',
sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; background-color: rgb(255,
255, 255);">
<div id="yiv7901158096yui_3_16_0_8_1407168555114_4">The
9/11 Truth movement utterly destroys the whole premise
for the 'war on terror' by removing the blame of the
9/11 attacks on 'Islamic terrorists'.... Is there any
other argument that could do this?</div>
<div id="yiv7901158096yui_3_16_0_8_1407168555114_4"> </div>
<div id="yiv7901158096yui_3_16_0_8_1407168555114_4">All of
CGEs or any other person comments on this list, by
diminishing the importance of 9/11 Truth are by default
making the assumption that the 'war on terror' is a
valid phenomena and are taking away the most provable
and simplest way to focus on the corruption of our
government.</div>
<div id="yiv7901158096yui_3_16_0_8_1407168555114_4"><br>
</div>
<div id="yiv7901158096yui_3_16_0_8_1407168555114_4">There
are powerful forces that don't want this to happen and
are pulling out all stops to undermine the 9/11 Truth
movement.</div>
<div id="yiv7901158096yui_3_16_0_8_1407168555114_4"><br>
</div>
<div id="yiv7901158096yui_3_16_0_8_1407168555114_4">The
war on Islam was/is an essential ingredient to all the
wars and chaos perpetrated by the U.S. / Israel /
Britain / Saudi Arabia that has been pounded into the
American mind but a relentless MSM barrage of lies and
propaganda. Take away the Islamophobic premise and all
you have left is corruption / greed / imperialism / oil
wars....</div>
<div id="yiv7901158096yui_3_16_0_8_1407168555114_4"><br>
</div>
<div id="yiv7901158096yui_3_16_0_8_1407168555114_4">9/11
Truth removes the whole Islamic argument and puts two
illegal wars right at the footsteps of our corrupt
leaders..... Is there anything more powerful?</div>
<div id="yiv7901158096yui_3_16_0_8_1407168555114_4"><br>
</div>
<div id="yiv7901158096yui_3_16_0_8_1407168555114_4">There
are those that say that 'they' (1%) would have found
some way if not 9/11 to accomplish their goals...but the
fact of the matter is that the 9/11 False Flag attack
was their method of choice. The Patriot Act was signed
within a couple of weeks of 9/11, NSA, the
militarization of our police departments, .... on and
on.</div>
<div id="yiv7901158096yui_3_16_0_8_1407168555114_4"><br>
</div>
<div id="yiv7901158096yui_3_16_0_8_1407168555114_4">The
same people behind the obscene disparity of wealth,
financial corruption and murder in Palestine are the
same people that did 9/11. </div>
<div id="yiv7901158096yui_3_16_0_8_1407168555114_4"><br>
</div>
<div id="yiv7901158096yui_3_16_0_8_1407168555114_4"><br>
</div>
<div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br>
<br>
</div>
<div class="yiv7901158096yqt2601177923"
id="yiv7901158096yqt31799">
<div class="yiv7901158096yahoo_quoted"
id="yiv7901158096yui_3_16_0_8_1407168555114_7"
style="display: block;">
<div
class="yiv7901158096yui_3_16_0_1_1407168555114_11531"
style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue',
Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;
font-size: 10pt;">
<div
class="yiv7901158096yui_3_16_0_1_1407168555114_11532"
style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica
Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande',
sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">
<div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> On
Monday, August 4, 2014 7:22 AM, Carl G.
Estabrook <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:galliher@illinois.edu"><galliher@illinois.edu></a> wrote:<br
clear="none">
</font> </div>
<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
<div class="yiv7901158096y_msg_container">The
reference to the Giant Rat of Sumatra was a
response to Francis' Illuminati-like list of
conspiracies. The sleep of reason breeds
monsters.<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
(In "The Adventure of the Sussex Vampire",
published in 1924, Arthur Conan Doyle has
Sherlock Holmes remark to Dr. Watson, "Matilda
Briggs was not the name of a young woman, Watson
... It was a ship which is associated with the
giant rat of Sumatra, a story for which the
world is not yet prepared.")<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
As for gatekeeping, I suggest that's the role of
the US media, which we need to combat. They're
in the position of Aeschylus' watchman (on its
belly, like a dog), guarding the secrets of this
'house,' the USG:<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
As for all the rest, I’m saying nothing.<br
clear="none">
A great ox stands on my tongue. But this
house,<br clear="none">
if it could speak, might tell some stories.<br
clear="none">
I speak to those who know about these
things.<br clear="none">
For those who don’t, there’s nothing I
remember...<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
--CGE<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
<div class="yiv7901158096yqt3145954201"
id="yiv7901158096yqtfd65744"><br clear="none">
On Aug 4, 2014, at 8:36 AM, Stephen Francis
via Peace-discuss <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" rel="nofollow"
shape="rect"
ymailto="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net"
target="_blank"
href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a>>
wrote:<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
> I'm definitely not accusing you in any
way of obscuring my poster...<br clear="none">
> I'm just suggesting that the Channel 3
person moved her camera to the only place on
the corner that placed you and another person
in front of my poster. That was her move not
yours. I thank you for taking the pic
included in this message.<br clear="none">
> <br clear="none">
> The oversized poster was just my way of
communicating my belief that there is
gatekeeping going on in this community.<br
clear="none">
> In my exchange with CGE, he bailed out of
the gatekeeping conversation with a David
Gehrig tactic (by the way... Where's David? I
miss him)...by mentioning a Rat from Sumatra
or something....<br clear="none">
> So I just responded with a joke about a
conspiracy with Channel 3 censoring my sign.
I thought it was curious that she moved her
camera. You would have to ask her why she
moved the camera. Would she admit that she
moved to hide my poster....NO....<br
clear="none">
> <br clear="none">
> but...<br clear="none">
> <br clear="none">
> A significant question would be: Would
Channel 3 actually air a video with a sign
that had the term 'ethnic cleansing' and the
Israeli national emblem on the same poster. I
think not.<br clear="none">
> Would Channel 3 be ok with 'Free Gaza',
or 'Illegal settlements'.... yes.... they are
obvious and innocuous.<br clear="none">
> Combining Israel and Ethnic Cleansing
crosses the line for the MSM... or am I being
conspiratorial here....?? That's why I did it
and it directly confronts CGE's argument that
the reason for Israeli aggression is that
Israel is an American aircraft carrier (which
is true and significant, but not the most
underlying issue in the Middle East.... The
creation and existence of Israel itself trumps
the 'aircraft carrier'.<br clear="none">
> <br clear="none">
> The best gatekeepers are the one's that
get the most support and have the most
influence from the very people that they are
gatekeeping. CGE matches that description and
Chomsky does it on a national basis. <br
clear="none">
> <br clear="none">
> <br clear="none">
> Ethnic cleansing gets too close to the
territorial expansion schemes by Israel....It
gets too close to the reasons for the very
creation and existence of Israel and how it
actually happened and how it is portrayed by
Israel.... and deligitimization. Gaza and
Operation Protective Edge are symptoms not
causes...... the American aircraft carrier is
innocuous jawboning. 9/11 Truth is about
criminal prosecution of the murder of 3000
people.<br clear="none">
> <br clear="none">
> Again, the question has to be asked: How
could a people who supposedly suffered the
'Holocaust' murder untold thousands of
Palestinians who are just trying to reclaim
land that was stolen from them. The Zionists
real motive is expansion. They are threatened
by 1,800,000 Palestinian refugee/prisoners
that they created in their ethnic cleansing of
Palestine and only know violence as a means to
remedy their 'problem'.<br clear="none">
> <br clear="none">
> Its roots are in the 'Holocaust', Israel
would not exist without it... and the UN
partition plan, and the preemptive strike in
1967, the illegal settlements, .... and on and
on.<br clear="none">
> <br clear="none">
> <br clear="none">
> On , Stephen Francis <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" rel="nofollow"
shape="rect"
ymailto="mailto:stephenf1113@yahoo.com"
target="_blank"
href="mailto:stephenf1113@yahoo.com">stephenf1113@yahoo.com</a>>
wrote:<br clear="none">
> <br clear="none">
> <br clear="none">
> I'm definitely not accusing you in any
way of obscuring my poster...<br clear="none">
> I'm just suggesting that the Channel 3
person moved her camera to the only place on
the corner that placed you and another person
in front of my poster. That was her move not
yours. I thank you for taking the pic
included in this message.<br clear="none">
> <br clear="none">
> The oversized poster was just my way of
communicating my belief that there is
gatekeeping going on in this community.<br
clear="none">
> In my exchange with CGE, he bailed out of
the gatekeeping conversation with a David
Gehrig tactic (by the way... Where's David? I
miss him)...by mentioning a Rat from Sumatra
or something....<br clear="none">
> So I just responded with a joke about a
conspiracy with Channel 3 censoring my sign.
I thought it was curious that she moved her
camera. You would have to ask her why she
moved the camera. Would she admit that she
moved to hide my poster....NO....<br
clear="none">
> <br clear="none">
> but...<br clear="none">
> <br clear="none">
> A significant question would be: Would
Channel 3 actually air a video with a sign
that had the term 'ethnic cleansing' and the
Israeli national emblem on the same poster. I
think not.<br clear="none">
> Would Channel 3 be ok with 'Free Gaza',
or 'Illegal settlements'.... yes.... they are
obvious and innocuous.<br clear="none">
> Combining Israel and Ethnic Cleansing
crosses the line for the MSM... or am I being
conspiratorial here....?? That's why I did it
and it directly confronts CGE's argument that
the reason for Israeli aggression is that
Israel is an American aircraft carrier (which
is true and significant, but not the most
underlying issue in the Middle East.... The
creation and existence of Israel itself trumps
the 'aircraft carrier'.<br clear="none">
> <br clear="none">
> The best gatekeepers are the one's that
get the most support and have the most
influence from the very people that they are
gatekeeping. CGE matches that description and
Chomsky does it on a national basis. <br
clear="none">
> <br clear="none">
> <br clear="none">
> Ethnic cleansing gets too close to the
territorial expansion schemes by Israel....It
gets too close to the reasons for the very
creation and existence of Israel and how it
actually happened and how it is portrayed by
Israel.... and deligitimization. Gaza and
Operation Protective Edge are symptoms not
causes...... the American aircraft carrier is
innocuous jawboning. 9/11 Truth is about
criminal prosecution of the murder of 3000
people.<br clear="none">
> <br clear="none">
> Again, the question has to be asked: How
could a people who supposedly suffered the
'Holocaust' murder untold thousands of
Palestinians who are just trying to reclaim
land that was stolen from them. The Zionists
real motive is expansion. They are threatened
by 1,800,000 Palestinian refugee/prisoners
that they created in their ethnic cleansing of
Palestine and only know violence as a means to
remedy their 'problem'.<br clear="none">
> <br clear="none">
> Its roots are in the 'Holocaust', Israel
would not exist without it... and the UN
partition plan, and the preemptive strike in
1967, the illegal settlements, .... and on and
on.<br clear="none">
> <br clear="none">
> <br clear="none">
> On Monday, August 4, 2014 5:42 AM, Karen
Aram <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
rel="nofollow" shape="rect"
ymailto="mailto:karenaram@hotmail.com"
target="_blank"
href="mailto:karenaram@hotmail.com">karenaram@hotmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br clear="none">
> <br clear="none">
> <br clear="none">
> Stephen<br clear="none">
> <br clear="none">
> If there is any "conspiracy" here, its
probably you, paid by the US government to
take up our time and distract us from focusing
on the problems and issues of today. That's
what they do sometimes, infiltrate, disrupt,
distract, .........., It was nice that you
showed up yesterday at the demonstration with
your huge sign, but how do we know it wasn't
just to determine who was there? You now have
our names, faces, etc. to turn over to your
employer.<br clear="none">
> Just kidding.<br clear="none">
> Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2014 03:15:09 -0700<br
clear="none">
> To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
rel="nofollow" shape="rect"
ymailto="mailto:ewj@pigsqq.org"
target="_blank" href="mailto:ewj@pigsqq.org">ewj@pigsqq.org</a>;
<a moz-do-not-send="true" rel="nofollow"
shape="rect"
ymailto="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net"
target="_blank"
href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a><br
clear="none">
> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Draft flyer
(corrected) for AWARE demo, Aug. 3<br
clear="none">
> From: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
rel="nofollow" shape="rect"
ymailto="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net"
target="_blank"
href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a><br
clear="none">
> <br clear="none">
> I was joking about the conspiracy....<br
clear="none">
> But also thought that a couple of you
would take the bait and think I was
serious......(maybe :)<br clear="none">
> <br clear="none">
> I just find it very telling and
consistent that 9/11 Truth has been carved out
of the peace movement and vilified. This IS a
conspiracy whose roots are in NYC.<br
clear="none">
> <br clear="none">
> Over 2200 professional architects and
engineers agree that WTC twin towers and WTC7
were demolished murdering 3000 people. Arab
patsies could not have done it the way our
corrupt government describes according to the
laws of physics. They also cannot find any
like professionals to debate them and their
work is peer-reviewed unlike NIST.<br
clear="none">
> <br clear="none">
> How can you protest against our
government and trust what they say about
9/11.... It doesn't make sense unless their is
a hidden agenda behind the inconsistency.....
You all know what I think about that.... <br
clear="none">
> World Trade Center Building 7 Demolished
on 9/11? | AE911Truth<br clear="none">
> <br clear="none">
> <br clear="none">
> <br clear="none">
> <br clear="none">
> <br clear="none">
> <br clear="none">
> <br clear="none">
> <br clear="none">
> World Trade Center Building 7 Demolished
on 9/11? | AE91...<br clear="none">
> Did you know that 3 towers fell on 9/11?
World Trade Center Building 7 collapsed on
9/11 after the Twin Towers but was never hit
by a plane. How?...<br clear="none">
> View on <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.ae911truth.org">www.ae911truth.org</a><br
clear="none">
> Preview by Yahoo<br clear="none">
> <br clear="none">
> <br clear="none">
> <br clear="none">
> <br clear="none">
> On Sunday, August 3, 2014 9:58 PM,
ewjohnson via Peace-discuss <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" rel="nofollow"
shape="rect"
ymailto="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net"
target="_blank"
href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a>>
wrote:<br clear="none">
> <br clear="none">
> <br clear="none">
> Stephen,<br clear="none">
> A lot of what you have to say is useful
and relevant.<br clear="none">
> <br clear="none">
> CGE has perhaps more than anyone defended
your right to say it.<br clear="none">
> <br clear="none">
> It isn't very healthy to find a daemon
behind every bush.<br clear="none">
> (Some of them have several.)<br
clear="none">
> <br clear="none">
> <br clear="none">
> On 08/04/2014 10:31 AM, Stephen Francis
via Peace-discuss wrote:<br clear="none">
> Here's a conspiracy for ya...<br
clear="none">
> Channel 3 sent out a video person to
record the massive crowd of 6-8 people at
Church and Neil demonstration today.<br
clear="none">
> She first set up her camera at the North
East corner then moved it to the Northwest
corner when she discovered what my poster
said.<br clear="none">
> She deliberately set the camera up in a
new position where two other protesters
obscured the view of my poster....<br
clear="none">
> see attachment....<br clear="none">
> Is this a conspiracy or what? .... <br
clear="none">
> <br clear="none">
> <br clear="none">
> On Sunday, August 3, 2014 6:59 PM, Carl
G. Estabrook <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
rel="nofollow" shape="rect"
ymailto="mailto:galliher@illinois.edu"
target="_blank"
href="mailto:galliher@illinois.edu">galliher@illinois.edu</a>>
wrote:<br clear="none">
> <br clear="none">
> <br clear="none">
> You left out the Giant Rat of Sumatra, "a
story for which the world is not yet
prepared."<br clear="none">
> <br clear="none">
> Sent from my iPhone<br clear="none">
> <br clear="none">
> On Aug 3, 2014, at 8:45 PM, Stephen
Francis <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
rel="nofollow" shape="rect"
ymailto="mailto:stephenf1113@yahoo.com"
target="_blank"
href="mailto:stephenf1113@yahoo.com">stephenf1113@yahoo.com</a>>
wrote:<br clear="none">
> <br clear="none">
> You (CGE) have very eloquently proven my
point. Chomsky's prominence as an
intellectual voice for the 99% is undeniable
except for 9/11 Truth. Coming from a 9/11
Truther, this is a glaring inconsistency,
because the same people we all rail against
did 9/11 in our view.<br clear="none">
> <br clear="none">
> There is an ever growing list of dubious
'Commissions' and cover-ups involving
international crimes that have not passed the
stink test including the Warren Commission,
the Dreyfus Affair, The Gladio Stay Behind
Network, Dimona, The Tuskegee Syphilis
Experiment, Pedophile Priests, Pearl Harbor,
The Looting of Russia after the breakup of the
Soviet Union, The USS Liberty, Iran Contra,
the looting of Japan after WWII, Murdochs
Phone Hacking, the Lincoln assassination,
Holocaust Hoax, WWI and WWII war profiteering,
Stalin's last years, failed Cuban invasion,
the Hollywood creation called the Italian
mafia, ....on and on... 9/11 has just joined
the list.<br clear="none">
> <br clear="none">
> Once it becomes common knowledge that
9/11 really was an inside job (Israel, Saudi
Arabia, Britain and the U. S.) Chomsky is
going to have more than egg on his face. He
will be proven an accomplice to the crime.<br
clear="none">
> <br clear="none">
> <br clear="none">
> On Sunday, August 3, 2014 5:44 PM, Carl
G. Estabrook <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
rel="nofollow" shape="rect"
ymailto="mailto:galliher@illinois.edu"
target="_blank"
href="mailto:galliher@illinois.edu">galliher@illinois.edu</a>>
wrote:<br clear="none">
> <br clear="none">
> <br clear="none">
> Chomsky was of course "a nationally
recognized figure" for more than 40 years
before the events of 9/11/2001.<br
clear="none">
> <br clear="none">
> As a young man he did for the study of
language roughly what Einstein had done for
physics: he established a new model for the
subsequent science. <br clear="none">
> <br clear="none">
> In the 1960's he took up writing against
Kennedy's war in SE Asia and quickly became
one of the most important anti-war voices with
articles like "The Responsibility of
Intellectuals" (1967) <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" rel="nofollow"
shape="rect" target="_blank"
href="http://www.chomsky.info/articles/19670223.htm">http://www.chomsky.info/articles/19670223.htm</a>>
and "On the Backgrounds of the Pacific War"
(1967) <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank"
href="http://www.chomsky.info/articles/196709--.htm">http://www.chomsky.info/articles/196709--.htm</a>>
- still very much worth reading. <br
clear="none">
> <br clear="none">
> Chomsky is an anarchist (libertarian
socialist, if you prefer). He presents a
convincing case for that position in
"Government in the Future" (1970) <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" rel="nofollow"
shape="rect" target="_blank"
href="http://tangibleinfo.blogspot.com/2006/11/noam-chomsky-lecture-from-1970-full.html">http://tangibleinfo.blogspot.com/2006/11/noam-chomsky-lecture-from-1970-full.html</a>>.<br
clear="none">
> <br clear="none">
> His brief book "9-11" was a best seller
in 2001, because it didn't follow the US
government/media line. Here's a summary:<br
clear="none">
> <br clear="none">
> "In '9-11', published in November 2001
and arguably the single most influential post
9-11 book, internationally renowned thinker
Noam Chomsky bridged the information gap
around the World Trade Center attacks, cutting
through the tangle of political opportunism,
expedient patriotism, and general conformity
that choked off American discourse in the
months immediately following. Chomsky placed
the attacks in context, marshaling his deep
and nuanced knowledge of American foreign
policy to trace the history of American
political aggression - in the Middle East and
throughout Latin America as well as in
Indonesia, in Afghanistan, in India and
Pakistan - at the same time warning against
America’s increasing reliance on military
rhetoric and violence in its response to the
attacks, and making the critical point that
the mainstream media and public intellectuals
were failing to make: any escalation of
violence as a response to violence will
inevitably lead to further, and bloodier,
attacks on innocents in America and around the
world..."<br clear="none">
> <br clear="none">
> Chomsky's politics are such that he is
cordially hated by soi-disant liberals and
progressives. In an interview in 2008 he said,
<br clear="none">
> <br clear="none">
> "I should say that the place where I am
most feared and despised is probably in left
liberal intellectual circles. If you want to
see a graphic indication of this, take a look
at one of my favorite journal covers, which is
framed and posted right outside my door. It’s
the more or less official journal of left
liberal intellectuals, The American Prospect,
and the cover depicts the terrible
circumstances in which they try to survive –
the enormous forces that are virtually
destroying them.<br clear="none">
> <br clear="none">
> "In the picture, two figures are
depicted; two faces, sneering and angry. On
one side is Dick Cheney and the Pentagon, on
the other side is me. The left liberal
intellectuals are caught between these two
huge forces. This depiction is indicative of
the paranoia and concern that there might be
some small break in orthodoxy. The liberal
intellectuals (and not just in the United
States) are typically the guardians at the
gates: we’ll go this far, but not one
millimeter farther; and it’s terrifying to
think that somebody might go a millimeter
farther. This extends throughout the major
media too. So, yes, the United States is a
very free country, in fact it’s the freest
country in the world. I don’t think freedom of
speech, for example, is protected anywhere in
the world as much as it is here. But it’s a
very managed society, it’s a business-run
society, carefully managed, with strict
doctrinal requirements and no deviation
tolerated – this would be too dangerous.<br
clear="none">
> <br clear="none">
> "One of the reasons it’s too dangerous is
that the political establishment, both
political parties and the political class, is,
on many major issues, well to the right of the
population. On health care, for example, which
you’ve written about for decades, the
population is to the left of the
establishment, and has been so forever. And
the same is true for many other issues. So,
permitting issues to be discussed is
threatening, and permitting deviation from a
kind of party line is dangerous and has to be
carefully controlled."<br clear="none">
> <br clear="none">
> --CGE<br clear="none">
> <br clear="none">
> On Aug 3, 2014, at 1:16 PM, Stephen
Francis via Peace-discuss <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" rel="nofollow"
shape="rect"
ymailto="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net"
target="_blank"
href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a>>
wrote:<br clear="none">
> <br clear="none">
> > I accuse CGE of gatekeeping because
of his incessant quoting of Chomsky. <br
clear="none">
> > I think Chomsky is in part a
nationally recognized figure because of his
views on 9/11 Truth. <br clear="none">
> > In efforts to control the opposition
he plays a perfect role.<br clear="none">
> > He is a prolific author and the vast
majority of his positions are acceptable to
'liberals', progressives'....etc (whatever
they are?)<br clear="none">
> > <br clear="none">
> > Zionists are very fearful of 9/11
Truth because it really threatens them, so
they have to ridicule and keep people
distracted from it.<br clear="none">
> > <br clear="none">
> > Chomsky keeps people talking and not
acting.<br clear="none">
> > 9/11 Truth is about acting. It's
about prosecuting criminals not jawboning
policy. CGE is a jawboner.....<br clear="none">
> > NYC CAN's effort was successful and
they are in a strong position to challenge any
legal obstacles in their path.<br clear="none">
> > A heartfelt thank you – We did it! –
High-Rise Safety Initiative<br clear="none">
> > <br clear="none">
> > <br clear="none">
> > <br clear="none">
> > <br clear="none">
> > <br clear="none">
> > <br clear="none">
> > <br clear="none">
> > <br clear="none">
> > A heartfelt thank you – We did it! –
High-Rise Safety In...<br clear="none">
> > Updates about the High-Rise Safety
Initiative A heartfelt thank you – We did it!
August 1, 2014 Dear friends,<br clear="none">
> > View on highrisesafetynyc.org<br
clear="none">
> > Preview by Yahoo<br clear="none">
> > <br clear="none">
> > <br clear="none">
> > <br clear="none">
> > <br clear="none">
> > On Sunday, August 3, 2014 8:43 AM,
David Johnson <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
rel="nofollow" shape="rect"
ymailto="mailto:davidjohnson1451@comcast.net"
target="_blank"
href="mailto:davidjohnson1451@comcast.net">davidjohnson1451@comcast.net</a>>
wrote:<br clear="none">
> > <br clear="none">
> > <br clear="none">
> > <br clear="none">
> > Stephen,<br clear="none">
> > <br clear="none">
> > Good article about Bolivia and other
South American countries pulling their
ambassadors from Israel,<br clear="none">
> > <br clear="none">
> > However, the other article is
absolute nonsense. There are no " left-wing "
U.S. Congressmen and Senators.<br clear="none">
> > Only corporate controlled neo-cons
and neo-liberals.<br clear="none">
> > The ONLY elected official in the
entire U.S. that I am aware of who is<br
clear="none">
> > " Left-wing " would be Socialist
City Council member Kshama Sawant in Seattle.<br
clear="none">
> > <br clear="none">
> > And your continued accusations of
Carl as a " Zionist Gatekeeper " is absurd and
borders on the delusional.<br clear="none">
> > <br clear="none">
> > David Johnson<br clear="none">
> > <br clear="none">
> <br clear="none">
</div>
<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<br>
<fieldset class="mimeAttachmentHeader"></fieldset>
<br>
<pre wrap="">_______________________________________________
Peace-discuss mailing list
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net">Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss">https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss</a>
</pre>
</blockquote>
<br>
</body>
</html>