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Stephen,<br>
A lot of what you have to say is useful and relevant.<br>
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CGE has perhaps more than anyone defended your right to say it.<br>
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It isn't very healthy to find a daemon behind every bush.<br>
(Some of them have several.)<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 08/04/2014 10:31 AM, Stephen Francis
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<div><span>Here's a conspiracy for ya...</span></div>
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record the massive crowd of 6-8 people at Church and Neil
demonstration today.</span></div>
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East corner then moved it to the Northwest corner when she
discovered what my poster said.</span></div>
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new position where two other protesters obscured the view of
my poster....</span></div>
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August 3, 2014 6:59 PM, Carl G. Estabrook
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eloquently proven my point. Chomsky's
prominence as an intellectual voice for the
99% is undeniable except for 9/11 Truth.
Coming from a 9/11 Truther, this is a
glaring inconsistency, because the same
people we all rail against did 9/11 in our
view.</span></div>
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growing list of dubious 'Commissions' and
cover-ups involving international crimes
that have not passed the stink test
including the Warren Commission, the Dreyfus
Affair, The Gladio Stay Behind Network,
Dimona, </span><span class="yiv1667560803"
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Experiment, Pedophile Priests, Pearl Harbor,
The Looting of Russia after the breakup of
the Soviet Union, The USS Liberty, Iran
Contra, the looting of Japan after WWII,
Murdochs Phone Hacking, the Lincoln
assassination, Holocaust Hoax, WWI and WWII
war profiteering, Stalin's last years,
failed Cuban invasion, the Hollywood
creation called the Italian mafia, ....on
and on... 9/11 has just joined the list.</span></div>
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that 9/11 really was an inside job (Israel,
Saudi Arabia, Britain and the U. S.) Chomsky
is going to have more than egg on his face.
He will be proven an accomplice to the crime.</div>
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<div class="yiv1667560803" style="">Chomsky
was of course "a nationally recognized
figure" for more than 40 years before
the events of 9/11/2001.<br
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As a young man he did for the study of
language roughly what Einstein had done
for physics: he established a new model
for the subsequent science. <br
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In the 1960's he took up writing against
Kennedy's war in SE Asia and quickly
became one of the most important
anti-war voices with articles like "The
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Chomsky is an anarchist (libertarian
socialist, if you prefer). He presents a
convincing case for that position in
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His brief book "9-11" was a best seller
in 2001, because it didn't follow the US
government/media line. Here's a summary:<br
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"In '9-11', published in November 2001
and arguably the single most influential
post 9-11 book, internationally renowned
thinker Noam Chomsky bridged the
information gap around the World Trade
Center attacks, cutting through the
tangle of political opportunism,
expedient patriotism, and general
conformity that choked off American
discourse in the months immediately
following. Chomsky placed the attacks in
context, marshaling his deep and nuanced
knowledge of American foreign policy to
trace the history of American political
aggression - in the Middle East and
throughout Latin America as well as in
Indonesia, in Afghanistan, in India and
Pakistan - at the same time warning
against America’s increasing reliance on
military rhetoric and violence in its
response to the attacks, and making the
critical point that the mainstream media
and public intellectuals were failing to
make: any escalation of violence as a
response to violence will inevitably
lead to further, and bloodier, attacks
on innocents in America and around the
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cordially hated by soi-disant liberals
and progressives. In an interview in
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most feared and despised is probably in
left liberal intellectual circles. If
you want to see a graphic indication of
this, take a look at one of my favorite
journal covers, which is framed and
posted right outside my door. It’s the
more or less official journal of left
liberal intellectuals, The American
Prospect, and the cover depicts the
terrible circumstances in which they try
to survive – the enormous forces that
are virtually destroying them.<br
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"In the picture, two figures are
depicted; two faces, sneering and angry.
On one side is Dick Cheney and the
Pentagon, on the other side is me. The
left liberal intellectuals are caught
between these two huge forces. This
depiction is indicative of the paranoia
and concern that there might be some
small break in orthodoxy. The liberal
intellectuals (and not just in the
United States) are typically the
guardians at the gates: we’ll go this
far, but not one millimeter farther; and
it’s terrifying to think that somebody
might go a millimeter farther. This
extends throughout the major media too.
So, yes, the United States is a very
free country, in fact it’s the freest
country in the world. I don’t think
freedom of speech, for example, is
protected anywhere in the world as much
as it is here. But it’s a very managed
society, it’s a business-run society,
carefully managed, with strict doctrinal
requirements and no deviation tolerated
– this would be too dangerous.<br
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"One of the reasons it’s too dangerous
is that the political establishment,
both political parties and the political
class, is, on many major issues, well to
the right of the population. On health
care, for example, which you’ve written
about for decades, the population is to
the left of the establishment, and has
been so forever. And the same is true
for many other issues. So, permitting
issues to be discussed is threatening,
and permitting deviation from a kind of
party line is dangerous and has to be
carefully controlled."<br
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> I accuse CGE of gatekeeping
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> I think Chomsky is in part a
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> Zionists are very fearful of 9/11
Truth because it really threatens
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> 9/11 Truth is about acting. It's
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