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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'>Ya'agov, All<BR> <BR>Perhaps Carl didn't mention Meshal, perhaps it was someone else he discussed. I have Meshal on my mind having reread the chapter of the book which I referred to on AOTA "Conversations with Terrorists", I had the name of the author wrong its not Richard but Reese Erlich, and it was published in 2009 not 2007, as I said. Noam Chomsky wrote and Afterword, not a Foreward. Trivialities in the scheme of things.<BR><br> <BR><div>> Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2014 19:35:35 -0500<br>> To: karenaram@hotmail.com<br>> CC: peace@lists.chambana.net; carl@newsfromneptune.com; occupycu@lists.chambana.net; peace-discuss@anti-war.net<br>> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Invitation to record AWARE ON THE AIR<br>> From: peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net<br>> <br>> Karen, All,<br>> <br>> First, thank you. The dynamics of the panel evolved differently from<br>> what what Carl and I wrote BEFORE the panel. On the air, Carl<br>> responded to what I've read. My point was how the military complex<br>> sells arms to its client states in the Middle East. Israel is NOT a<br>> stationary aircraft for the US. That metaphor needs now substance, so<br>> we know what exactly you and Carl meant. It often happens, that an<br>> academic uses a metaphor (made viable and useful during the reading of<br>> an article) that doesn't reflect a reality, or that needs further<br>> explanation.<br>> <br>> Carl pointed out how the US and Israel supported the creation of Hamas<br>> in the 90's, a point worth pursuing. Carl did not mention Mashal. I<br>> was the only one to suggest we call these leaders by their names, and<br>> attempt to understand what they stand for (the Hamas Charter and<br>> recent interviews with them being a good start). Carl was the only one<br>> on the panel that listened and started addressing my points. Szoke<br>> stuck to his broken record of 'completely incromprehensible', etc.<br>> <br>> Based on what Ron Szoke's comments in the last 3 AWARE on the Air<br>> panels, hold to my critique of his statements and positions (not of<br>> him as a lovely community member).<br>> <br>> I find a direct link between the hatred brought by Green and Szoke (in<br>> Green primaries campaign discussions) and the mob behavior of Stephen<br>> Francis. While, academically, Green and Szoke's comments were walking<br>> a thin line between anti-Israel and anti-Jews, SF didn't notice the<br>> line, and jumped in with his Holocaust denial notes and conference.<br>> Typically, that's how mobs operate. Past day anti-Semitic and<br>> anti-Israel mobs in Belgium, France, Germany are evidence to behaviors<br>> of those who don't know, nor care to draw thin lines.<br>> <br>> As long as AWARE will fail to represent direct attempts with Israelis<br>> and Palestinians, I will attempt to fill that gap. Respectfully<br>> Karen, I do not support Szoke's statements as a voice for remedy. As<br>> I said, I see them as a repetition of a strategy that was never<br>> successful. Time to look it in the face and draw new conclusions.<br>> <br>> On the air, I also said: as long as Szoke repeats his statements, I<br>> will no longer address them. Let's wait for the YouTube recording, so<br>> everybody will see what they've missed.<br>> <br>> Cordially,<br>> Ya'aqov<br>> _______________________________________________<br>> Peace-discuss mailing list<br>> Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net<br>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss<br></div> </div></body>
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