<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:garamond, new york, times, serif;font-size:14pt"><div><span></span></div><div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div> <div class="yahoo_quoted" style="display: block;"> <div style="font-family: garamond, new york, times, serif; font-size: 14pt;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> On Thursday, August 7, 2014 8:54 AM, David Green <davegreen84@yahoo.com> wrote:<br> </font> </div> <blockquote style="padding-left: 5px; margin-top: 5px; margin-left: 5px; border-left-color: rgb(16, 16, 255); border-left-width: 2px; border-left-style: solid;"> <br><br> <div class="y_msg_container"><div id="yiv3635548504"><div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: garamond, new york, times, serif; font-size: 14pt; background-color: rgb(255, 255,
255);"><div><span>Roger, you assume that the powerful are the victims of the weak, and then demand that others prove otherwise.</span></div> <div class="yiv3635548504qtdSeparateBR"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv3635548504yqt0766157807" id="yiv3635548504yqt41836"><div class="yiv3635548504yahoo_quoted" style="display: block;"> <div style="font-family: garamond, new york, times, serif; font-size: 14pt;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> On Thursday, August 7, 2014 3:56 AM, Roger Helbig <rwhelbig@gmail.com> wrote:<br clear="none"> </font> </div> <blockquote style="padding-left: 5px; margin-top: 5px; margin-left: 5px; border-left-color: rgb(16, 16, 255); border-left-width: 2px; border-left-style: solid;"> <br clear="none"><br clear="none"> <div class="yiv3635548504y_msg_container">What exactly
does who destroyed the green houses have to do with this?<br clear="none"> The Palestinians clearly have had plenty of time to rebuild them -<br clear="none">they certainly were able to build or import rockets and enough<br clear="none">building materials to build strong long tunnels. What about the way<br clear="none">that Hamas has treated anyone who disagrees with them?<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Far as who destroyed the green houses, you could easily see the date<br clear="none">from satellite photos taken by a commercial satellite. I would be<br clear="none">rather certain that they exist.<br clear="none"><div class="yiv3635548504yqt0341319722" id="yiv3635548504yqtfd24724"><br clear="none">On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 8:27 PM, David Green <<a href="mailto:davegreen84@yahoo.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:davegreen84@yahoo.com">davegreen84@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none">> Also probably
worth noting, in relation to "good faith," is the lie that<br clear="none">> I've heard repeated in recent days that
Palestinians destroyed the Israeli<br clear="none">> green houses after the settlers were evacuated; the settlers destroyed half<br clear="none">> of them before leaving.<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> DG<br clear="none">><br clear="none">><br clear="none">> On Wednesday, August 6, 2014 10:21 PM, David Green <<a href="mailto:davegreen84@yahoo.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:davegreen84@yahoo.com">davegreen84@yahoo.com</a>><br clear="none">> wrote:<br clear="none">><br clear="none">><br clear="none">><br clear="none">> Israeli strategists have been quite straightforward about "mowing the lawn,"<br clear="none">> "putting Gaza on a diet," etc. The strategy of economic "de-development" (as<br clear="none">> discussed by Sara Roy) goes all the way back to 1967. In any event, you<br clear="none">> reverse the relationship between the perpetrator and the victim, no
harder<br clear="none">> to see in
this case than when the Nazis invaded Poland.<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> DG<br clear="none">><br clear="none">><br clear="none">><br clear="none">> On Wednesday, August 6, 2014 8:52 PM, Roger Helbig <<a href="mailto:rwhelbig@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:rwhelbig@gmail.com">rwhelbig@gmail.com</a>><br clear="none">> wrote:<br clear="none">><br clear="none">><br clear="none">><br clear="none">> Your statement about "planned response" is probably totally bogus - I<br clear="none">> strongly expect that if you did actual research instead of only<br clear="none">> finding what agrees with preconceived conclusions, that you would find<br clear="none">> that Israel left Gaza in good faith - the Palestinians, though<br clear="none">> immediately introduced offensive weapons in bad faith -<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> Rockets are TERROR WEAPONs
because a rocket is an unguided
missile -<br clear="none">> they can not be accurately targeted and the only reason that there<br clear="none">> have not been large numbers of Israeli civilian casualties is because<br clear="none">> Iron Dome works -<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> Roger<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 6:28 PM, David Green via Peace-discuss<br clear="none">> <<a href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a>> wrote:<br clear="none">>> Here's a letter that I sent to the NG today, that accurately summarizes my<br clear="none">>> views.<br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>> DG<br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>> Israel's recent/current onslaught against Gaza is consistent with<br clear="none">>> long-term<br clear="none">>> ambitions
for controlling "Greater
Israel." Gaza has since 2005 been a<br clear="none">>> prison, with its economy and borders tightly controlled by Israel's siege.<br clear="none">>> This is a planned consequence of Israel's withdrawal of settlers in<br clear="none">>> 2005--not<br clear="none">>> a response to Palestinian resistance. Recurrent massacres by the IDF<br clear="none">>> constitute maintenance for this state of affairs.<br clear="none">>> Israel's hegemonic ambitions are promoted by all major political parties<br clear="none">>> in<br clear="none">>> Israel and the U.S., and by mainstream Jewish organizations. Our<br clear="none">>> government<br clear="none">>> provides weapons and diplomatic cover, including a "peace process" that is<br clear="none">>> really a settlement process. Palestinian communities on the West Bank live<br clear="none">>> under the constant threat of Israeli terror, from
settlers and the IDF,<br clear="none">>> before and after the murder of three Israeli youths (but not by Hamas) in<br clear="none">>> June.<br clear="none">>> In our community, religious and secular Jewish leaders and institutions<br clear="none">>> follow the dictates of national Jewish organizations in their support for<br clear="none">>> right-wing Zionist extremism. Instead of consulting with the local Jewish<br clear="none">>> community at large, they ally themselves with plutocratic U.S.<br clear="none">>> geopolitical<br clear="none">>> and military interests and their strategies to control Middle East energy<br clear="none">>> resources; and with Christian Zionists--right wing fundamentalists who<br clear="none">>> view<br clear="none">>> the region in apocalyptic terms that are anti-Semitic and Islamophobic<br clear="none">>> (and<br clear="none">>> un-Christian) at
their core.<br clear="none">>> It is in this context that those who have been hired as leaders of the<br clear="none">>> Jewish community lend institutional spaces to a small but vocal minority<br clear="none">>> of<br clear="none">>> Jews and their racist agenda, while marginalizing the majority of Jews who<br clear="none">>> oppose these ongoing crimes.<br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>> _______________________________________________<br clear="none">>> Peace-discuss mailing list<br clear="none">>> <a href="mailto:Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net">Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a><br clear="none">>> <a href="https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect">https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss</a><br
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