<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:garamond, new york, times, serif;font-size:14pt"><div><span>The facts are, as Postol says, that Iron Dome is largely ineffective, except at lining the pockets of its producers, and for propaganda purposes regarding Israeli technological superiority. Postol is wrong, however, as Finkelstein right claims, regarding the effectiveness of shelters & early warning. The truth is that Hamas "rockets" rarely land in populated areas, and when they do, all Israelis have to do is lie down. Too bad the Palestinians can't protect themselves in a like manner.</span></div><div><span></span> </div><div><span>Roger, you have a Nazi mentality. You blame the victim.</span></div><div><span></span> </div><div><span>DG</span></div> <div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" style="display: block;"> <div style="font-family: garamond, new york, times, serif; font-size:
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#yiv9859136458 </style><div><div dir="ltr">Roger<br clear="none"> <br clear="none">Democracy Now is the only tv news station that is a news station, they are the only one that doesn't disseminate US corporate propaganda, and they employ real investigative journalists. <br clear="none"> <br clear="none"><div><div class="yiv9859136458yqt1412819384" id="yiv9859136458yqtfd64989"><div class="hr" style="margin: 5px 0px; padding: 0px; border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); height: 0px; line-height: 0; font-size: 0px;" contenteditable="false" readonly="true"></div>Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2014 08:11:00 -0500<br clear="none">To: rwhelbig@gmail.com<br clear="none">CC: peace-discuss@anti-war.net<br clear="none">Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Why Israel killed 2,000 (with US permission)<br clear="none">From: peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><div>There's some indication that 'Iron Dome' may be a flying Potemkin village - profitable for
the usual 'defense contractors' and useful for propagandists in the Israeli & US governments but neither necessary nor effective against the largely home-made rockets from Gaza.</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>See now Mark Perry, "Gaza's Bottle Rockets: Why Hamas' Arsenal Wasn't Worth a War," in the current edition of the conservative journal Foreign Affairs, Published by the Council on Foreign Relations, August 3, 2014: <a href="http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/141698/mark-perry/gazas-bottle-rockets" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect">http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/141698/mark-perry/gazas-bottle-rockets</a></div><div><br clear="none"></div><br clear="none"><div><div>On Aug 8, 2014, at 6:59 AM, Roger Helbig <<a href="mailto:rwhelbig@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:rwhelbig@gmail.com">rwhelbig@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br
class="yiv9859136458ecxApple-interchange-newline" clear="none"><blockquote>Democracy Now forgot about Democracy long ago - they parrot Hamas<br clear="none">propaganda just like you do! When you meet your maker, then you will<br clear="none">have to attone for your sins since you fancy yourself some sort of<br clear="none">expert on religion - unguided rockets are a terrorist weapon - they<br clear="none">are only just aimed in the general direction of the people you want to<br clear="none">kill and anything that gets hit gets killed - Iron Dome has<br clear="none">effectively shielded them but it can not do so with 100% certainty<br clear="none">forever - the Israelis know that and so does any other fool who knows<br clear="none">what rockets do. Suggest you learn., Amy Goodman and her pal<br clear="none">Gonzalez really pretend to be journalists since they never actually<br clear="none">dig out facts that might disagree with their
preformed opinions.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Roger<br clear="none"><br clear="none">On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 6:20 PM, C. G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss<br clear="none"><<a href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"><blockquote><a href="http://www.democracynow.org/2014/8/7/a_hideous_atrocity_noam_chomsky_on" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect">http://www.democracynow.org/2014/8/7/a_hideous_atrocity_noam_chomsky_on</a><br clear="none"><br clear="none">As high Israeli officials concede, Hamas had observed the previous ceasefire<br clear="none">for 19 months. The previous episode of "mowing the lawn" was in November<br clear="none">2012. There was a ceasefire. The ceasefire terms were that Hamas would not<br clear="none">fire rockets--what they call rockets--and Israel would move
to end the<br clear="none">blockade and stop attacking what they call militants in Gaza. Hamas lived up<br clear="none">to it. Israel concedes that.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">In April of this year, an event took place which horrified the Israeli<br clear="none">government: A unity agreement was formed between Gaza and the West Bank,<br clear="none">between Hamas and Fatah. Israel has been desperately trying to prevent that<br clear="none">for a long time. There's a background we could talk about, but it's<br clear="none">important. Anyhow, the unity agreement came. Israel was furious. They got<br clear="none">even more upset when the U.S. more or less endorsed it, which is a big blow<br clear="none">to them. They launched a rampage in the West Bank.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">What was used as a pretext was the brutal murder of three settler teenagers.<br clear="none">There was a pretense that they were alive, though they knew they were
dead.<br clear="none">That allowed a huge--and, of course, they blamed it right away on Hamas. They<br clear="none">have yet to produce a particle of evidence, and in fact their own highest<br clear="none">leading authorities pointed out right away that the killers were probably<br clear="none">from a kind of a rogue clan in Hebron, the Qawasmeh clan, which turns out<br clear="none">apparently to be true. They've been a thorn in the sides of Hamas for years.<br clear="none">They don't follow their orders.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">But anyway, that gave the opportunity for a rampage in the West Bank,<br clear="none">arresting hundreds of people, re-arresting many who had been released,<br clear="none">mostly targeted on Hamas. Killings increased. Finally, there was a Hamas<br clear="none">response: the so-called rocket attacks. And that gave the opportunity for<br clear="none">"mowing the lawn" again.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">###<br
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