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PressTV is not such a bad outfit.<br>
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Actually it seems more credible than Fox or CNN.<br>
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There ain't no sech thing as Unbiased Reporting.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/01/2014 12:33 PM, David Johnson
via Peace-discuss wrote:<br>
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<font size="+3">So what if he works for Venezuelan TV- to me that
makes him a LOT more credible then some so called journalist
propaganda stenographer from the US corporate media.<br>
The UN does NOT operate ALL refugee camps in the world.<br>
You are the one who believes everything you see and hear in the
US corporate media, despite proven facts to the contrary time
and time again.<br>
What about those weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and the
yellow cake uranium bullshit stories ?<br>
I bet you believed every word of it at the time.<br>
Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if you still believe it.<br>
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David Johnson<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/30/2014 12:01 AM, Roger Helbig
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">and he works for Venezuelan TV - that is probably
about as solid a source as Iranian PressTV that interviews
outright frauds like Leuren K Moret - I am sure he has got
lots on camera - you can always trick the camera - like the
Italians who made a big deal out of White Phosphorus being
used to illuminate the night sky and provide smoke to hide
maneuvering troops.</div>
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<div dir="ltr">why would Chechen be in NATO camps - UN
operates "camps", not NATO - this sounds like it is
pretty poorly researched or just slanted to attract the
far left that wants to believe and wants to blame US/UK
NATO for the cause of ISIS. </div>
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<p><big><big><big>The West and its client states
in the Middle East are now bombing Islamic
State (ISIS) positions in Syria, killing
both militants and civilians, violating
countless international laws and treaties.</big></big></big></p>
<big><big><big> </big></big></big>
<p><big><big><big> Oil installations inside Syria
are in flames; the West <em>“informed”</em>
Damascus that the bombing campaign could
take three years, as if it would be the
sole owner of the Middle East. </big></big></big></p>
<p><big><big><big> The fact that it is done with
no international endorsement is by now not
surprising anybody. </big></big></big></p>
<p><big><big><big> There is nothing standing on
the way of this campaign; no air force is
defending Syrian territory, no
surface-to-air-missiles are fired. </big></big></big></p>
<p><big><big><big> Yet, the US and the UK make no
secret that this is not just a campaign to
debilitate ISIS positions. The US is
openly declaring alliance with the <em>“moderate
opposition forces”</em> inside Syria,
which essentially means those forces that
are fighting to overthrow the government
of President Assad. </big></big></big></p>
<p><big><big><big> Damascus’ plea for a broader
coalition to fight ISIS is being ignored.
No wonder – for years Islamic State (or
ISIS) was actually an integrated part of
the <em>“opposition movement”</em>
supported, trained and financed by the
West and its regional allies. </big></big></big></p>
<h2><big><big><big> Hezbollah is already fighting
IS </big></big></big></h2>
<p><big><big><big> The excuse or justification,
for the latest attacks against Syria, is
simple. British Prime Minister David
Cameron told lawmakers: <em>"This is not
a threat on the far side of the world.
Left unchecked, we will face a terrorist
caliphate on the shores of the
Mediterranean."</em> </big></big></big></p>
<p><big><big><big> By this, he was perhaps
referring to that short Syrian
Mediterranean coastline dotted with the
cities like Latakia and Tartus, but also,
most likely, to the entire Lebanon, which,
according to a regional analyst, Michael
Jansen, <em>“...is already the third
battlefront in the war against the
Islamic State (IS) and, like embattled
Syria and Iraq, it has neither the
political unity needed, nor the material
means to fight its battle.”</em> </big></big></big></p>
<p><big><big><big> It is enough to read Daily
Security Information Reports by UNSIOC in
Lebanon to see how serious the situation
really is. There are incursions from
Syrian soil by the militants, kidnappings
and constant arrests. </big></big></big></p>
<p><big><big><big> But most of the people in the
region would definitely disagree with both
Mr. Obama and Mr. Cameron about on whose
shoulders rests the responsibility for
this disastrous state of things. </big></big></big></p>
<p><big><big><big> </big></big></big></p>
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<p><big><big><big>Apaydin Camp (Photo by Andre
Vltchek)</big></big></big></p>
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<p><big><big><big> Outspoken leader of Hezbollah,
Sayyed Hasan Nasrallah, spelled out his
take on the situation, in Lebanon, on
September 23, 2014: </big></big></big></p>
<p><big><big><big> <em>“We are against American
military intervention and an
international coalition in Syria,
whether that [action] is against the
Syrian regime or Daesh (ISIS)... Under
the false pretext of fighting terrorism
the U.S. seeks to take control of the
region...”</em> </big></big></big></p>
<p><big><big><big> Hezbollah is actually already
fighting ISIS, but, despite its great
popularity in Lebanon and in the region,
and its inclusiveness and great social
projects (or maybe because of them), the
organization is on the list of terrorist
groups, at least in the US and in several
European countries. </big></big></big></p>
<p><big><big><big> It appears that the West is
making sure that Lebanon remains
defenseless, even as it appears likely
that ISIS could soon intensify its attacks
or to make a decisive dash across the
border, from Syrian territory. Weapons
from France had not been delivered yet,
partially because France <em>“worries”</em>
that they could be used against Israel.
The US is blocking any purchase of Russian
weapons by Lebanon (Defense Minister of
Lebanon, Ms. Nouhad Mashnouk visited
Moscow trying to secure delivery of
Russian-made arms), because of <em>“the
tension between the West and Russia over
Ukraine.”</em> </big></big></big></p>
<h2><big><big><big> Region ruined, West controls
the game </big></big></big></h2>
<p><big><big><big> The situation is extremely
complex but what is clear is that the West
is pressing all the control buttons in the
<em>“game.”</em> </big></big></big></p>
<p><big><big><big> It helped to create and to
strengthen <em>“Syrian opposition,”
including its most radical elements like
Islamic State. The goal was to depose
President Assad. Now when the ISIS went
“out of control,”</em> and began gaining
territory in both Iraq and Syria, their
brutality and military success are used as
justification for direct intervention in
Syria. </big></big></big></p>
<p><big><big><big> It is becoming clear that no
matter what, President Assad would never
be allowed to win; even if (and perhaps
especially if) he is supported by the
majority of the Syrian people. </big></big></big></p>
<p><big><big><big> As a result of actions taken by
the West, both Iraq and Syria are now
fully destabilized, or more precisely,
they are in ruins. </big></big></big></p>
<p><big><big><big> </big></big></big></p>
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<p><big><big><big>Hidden camera Jordan - Syrian
border (Photo by Andre Vltchek)</big></big></big></p>
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<p><big><big><big> Lebanon does not even have
fully functioning government or sound
military, and may be swept away by the
destructive tide. </big></big></big></p>
<p><big><big><big> The region is now literally
flooded with millions of refugees. </big></big></big></p>
<p><big><big><big> And the West is once again
pounding the area with Tomahawk missiles
and bombs. Several pro-Western Arab
regimes that are co-responsible for the
situation in Syria and Iraq - Bahrain,
Jordan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia and the United
Arab Emirates - have joined the <em>“campaign,”</em>
by offering their jets. This way, there is
some illusion of legitimacy - their
handlers in Washington can trumpet to the
world that <em>“they are not in it
alone.”</em> </big></big></big></p>
<p><big><big><big> While the <em>“threat of
terrorism”</em> and <em>“danger to the
region and its people”</em> are quoted
as the main justifications for the
military action, there is really very
little logic in those arguments, and many
citizens of the Middle East now simply
believe that the West is aiming at the
overthrowing of the government of Syrian
President Assad, at creating an
independent, oil-rich, and pro-Western
Kurdish state, and possibly even at
igniting conflict with neighboring Iran. </big></big></big></p>
<p><big><big><big> It is also understood that
things could get resolved without the
Western bombing campaign; through the
channels that the US and EU would never
use: governments in Damascus and Teheran
would have to stop being pushed into the
corner. In fact, Syria and Lebanon would
have to be allowed to rearm and to be
allowed to fight their own enemies. And
Iran would have to be encouraged to join
the fight against the Islamic State
(ISIS). </big></big></big></p>
<p><big><big><big> On 21 September 2014, AP
reported:<em>“Syria's parliament speaker
said Sunday that the US should work with
Damascus to battle the Islamic State
extremist group rather than allying with
nations which he accused of supporting
terrorism. Speaker Jihad Laham was
apparently referring to Saudi Arabia and
other countries backing rebels trying to
overthrow Syrian President Bashar
Assad.”</em> </big></big></big></p>
<p><big><big><big> But the West is not aiming at
resolving the crises. It is pushing and
fighting for full domination of the
region. </big></big></big></p>
<p><big><big><big> It is playing chess with both
white and black pieces. In between are
tens of millions of people, and entire
nations. Every move terminates countless
lives. </big></big></big></p>
<p><big><big><big> </big></big></big></p>
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<p><big><big><big>Barricaded government building
in Beirut (Photo by Andre Vltchek)</big></big></big></p>
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<h2><big><big><big> Create them, use them, fight
them </big></big></big></h2>
<p><big><big><big> ISIS did not fall from the sky.
They were armed, financed and trained in
the refugee camps built for <em>“Syrian
refugees,”</em> in Turkey and Jordan.
Both countries are staunch allies of the
West; Turkey is on top of it a member of
NATO. </big></big></big></p>
<p><big><big><big> Several regional reporters,
including Turkish investigative journalist
Huseyin Guler and Ulusal’s TV documentary
filmmaker Serkan Koc, identified the camps
as training facilities, particularly
Apaydin in the vicinity of Hatay, near the
Turkish border. </big></big></big></p>
<p><big><big><big> The fact that Jordan is
offering its territory for purposes of <em>“training
the opposition”</em> is no secret.
Earlier this year I worked in two refugee
camps near the Jordan-Syrian border: an
old and overcrowded Zaatari Camp and one
new one, which is still only partially
operational – Azraq. </big></big></big></p>
<p><big><big><big> From testimonies given to me by
both refugees and local inhabitants,
Zaatari Camp has been used as a training
facility for <em>“Syrian opposition
fighters,”</em> for years. In the area,
there was a clear presence of both Saudi
and Qatari cadres. </big></big></big></p>
<p><big><big><big> The AP reported: <em>“Jordan
is… officially denying that any training
of anti-Assad fighters takes place on
its soil, though both Jordanian and
American officials have acknowledged it
does.”</em> </big></big></big></p>
<p><big><big><big> The National, a daily newspaper
published in the United Arab Emirates,
reported on December 28 2013: </big></big></big></p>
<p><big><big><big> <em>“A command centre in Amman
or "operations room" as Syrian rebels
describe it, gives military advice to
the Free Syrian Army and channels
weapons to them for their fight against
Bashar Al Assad's regime… Rebels say
there is also a complex, shadowy system
of weapons movement, with diverse,
sometimes parallel, supply routes. The
command centre works with the FSA and
the Supreme Military Council - the FSA
high command headed by General Selim
Idriss and allied with the Syrian
National Coalition, the opposition
political alliance backed by Arab states
and the West.”</em> </big></big></big></p>
<p><big><big><big> I investigated the situation on
the Turkish-Syrian border, in the vicinity
of the city of Hatay, on several
occasions, for both the documentary film I
was producing for Venezuelan TV channel
TeleSur, and for several of my written
reports. </big></big></big></p>
<p><big><big><big> The tolerant and multi-cultural
city of Hatay has been living in fear for
years, terrorized by those
machinegun-waving bearded jihadi cadres
who were transplanted there from Saudi
Arabia and from the rest of the Gulf, in
order to train and radicalize Syrian <em>“opposition
fighters.”</em> </big></big></big></p>
<p><big><big><big> Apayadin Camp is where many of
the ISIS fighters have their roots. </big></big></big></p>
<p><big><big><big> </big></big></big></p>
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style="margin: 0px; float: none;"
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Adana (Photo by Andre Vltchek)"
src="cid:part32.04070400.01010507@pigsqq.org"></big></big></big>
<p><big><big><big>Entrance to Incirlik base near
Adana (Photo by Andre Vltchek)</big></big></big></p>
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<p><big><big><big> Serkan Koc, who has produced
several groundbreaking works on the
subject of the <em>“Syrian opposition,”</em>
explained to me in Istanbul: </big></big></big></p>
<p><big><big><big> <em>“Of course you do realize
that those people are not really ‘Syrian
opposition.’ They are modern-day
legionnaires collected from various Arab
countries, including Qatar and Saudi
Arabia, paid by Western imperialist
powers. Some are members of Al-Qaeda and
other terrorist organizations. Most are
militant Sunni Muslims. One could
describe them as rogue elements hired to
fight the Assad government.”</em> </big></big></big></p>
<p><big><big><big> Some of those legionnaires,
including those who belong to Islamic
State (ISIS) had mutated and began wearing
several hats (President Assad was warning
for months that they would). They are
still after President Assad whom they
mainly hate for being secular, and for
belonging to the Alawite sect, which is
considered to be heretical in some Sunni
Muslim circles, especially in the most
radical ones. But now they are also after
non-Muslims and non-Arabs, even after the
interests of those who actually helped
them to come to life – the West. </big></big></big></p>
<p><big><big><big> All this is not unlike how
al-Qaida was born. It mutated from
Western-trained and financed Mujahedeen
that were first involved in the fighting
against the Democratic Republic of
Afghanistan (DRA) and later the Soviet
Union. </big></big></big></p>
<p><big><big><big> The West is historically using,
even grooming, the most horrendous allies,
be it Mujahedeen in Afghanistan, the
military and religious cadres in 1965
Indonesia, fascist military in Chile,
Paraguay and Argentina, or present-day
Ukrainian fascists crews. </big></big></big></p>
<p><big><big><big> <em>“Syrian opposition”</em>
is just one of the latest editions. It is
clear who is benefiting: the military and
political establishment of the West, which
supplies the weapons, destabilizes
countries, even entire regions, and tries
to establish full control over the world.
</big></big></big></p>
<p><big><big><big> Then, if and when the situation
changes and a former client’s movements go
gaga, there is always another use for
them: they can serve as a justification
for direct invasions and further
militarization of the regions and the
entire planet. </big></big></big></p>
<p><big><big><big> First you create them, then you
use them, and in the end you fight them. </big></big></big></p>
<p><big><big><big> <em>“The only victims”</em>
are millions of people who are dying and
becoming internally displaced in the
regions destroyed by these brutal
imperialist games. </big></big></big></p>
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