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<td>Re: [Peace-discuss] Help Prog. Caucus move DC on war
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<td>Mon, 13 Oct 2014 13:26:51 -0500</td>
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<td>David Johnson <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:davidjohnson1451@comcast.net"><davidjohnson1451@comcast.net></a></td>
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<big><big>" Kobane seems to be playing something like the role
that Benghazi did in the preparation for the US/NATO attack on
Libya."<br>
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There in lies the problem. The Obama Administration as well
as the previous Bush Administration has told so many lies that
one should be suspicious of anything they say or do.<br>
<br>
Several things are certain, ISIS was created and financed by
OUR tax dollars and the contributions and support of at least
Saudi Arabia, if not Turkey, Jordan and Israel as well in some
type of supportive role.<br>
The goal of the U.S. and U.K. 1 % ruling class is NOT peace
and stability in the middle east ( unless they control it ),
it is instability ( divide and conquer ) so that they can
control energy resources.<br>
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Therefore the best thing that we as peace activists should
advocate for is a ban on all U.S. involvement ( direct or
indirect ) in the middle east and elsewhere in the world as
well as an end to all foreign military aid.<br>
<br>
David Johnson<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/13/2014 11:59 AM, Carl G.
Estabrook via Peace-discuss wrote:<br>
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Bob--
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<div><i>'...mere slogans of “no war” and “stop the bombing”
aren’t morally, politically, or strategically sufficient
right now...'</i></div>
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<div>That's a curiously periphrastic way to call for support for
the Obama administration's war in the Mideast. </div>
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<div>It suggests that you do recognize that you're reversing
what you seemed formerly to be saying about a 'just foreign
policy.' </div>
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<div>Kobane seems to be playing something like the role that
Benghazi did in the preparation for the US/NATO attack on
Libya.</div>
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<div>'When a non-violent uprising began, Qaddafi crushed it
violently, and a rebellion broke out that liberated Benghazi,
Libya's second largest city, and seemed about to move on to
Qaddafi's stronghold in the West. His forces, however,
reversed the course of the conflict and were at the gates of
Benghazi. A slaughter in Benghazi was likely, and as
Obama's Middle East adviser Dennis Ross pointed out, "everyone
would blame us for it." That would be unacceptable, as would a
Qaddafi military victory enhancing his power and independence.
The US then joined in UN Security Council resolution 1973
calling for a no-fly zone, to be implemented by France, the
UK, and the US, with the US supposed to move to a supporting
role.</div>
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'There was no effort to institute a no-fly zone. The triumvirate
at once interpreted the resolution as authorizing direct
participation on the side of the rebels. A ceasefire was imposed
by force on Qaddafi's forces, but not on the rebels. On the
contrary, they were given military support as they advanced to
the West, soon securing the major sources of Libya's oil
production, and poised to move on.<br>
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'The blatant disregard of UN 1973, from the start began to cause
some difficulties for the press as it became too glaring to
ignore. In the New York Times, for example, Karim Fahim and
David Kirkpatrick (March 29) wondered "how the allies could
justify airstrikes on Colonel Qaddafi's forces around [his
tribal center] Surt if, as seems to be the case, they enjoy
widespread support in the city and pose no threat to civilians."
Another technical difficulty is that UNSC 1973 "called for an
arms embargo that applies to the entire territory of Libya,
which means that any outside supply of arms to the opposition
would have to be covert" (but otherwise unproblematic).' [Noam
Chomsky]
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<div>--CGE<br>
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<div>On Oct 13, 2014, at 11:06 AM, Robert Naiman <<a
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<blockquote type="cite">Dear C G ESTABROOK,<br>
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Yesterday I wrote to you, urging you to sign and share
our MoveOn petition urging the Obama Administration to
do all it can to pressure Turkey to allow Kurds to
save Kurds resisting the ISIS siege of Kobane:<br>
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Obama: Press Turkey to Stop Massacre of Syrian Kurds <br>
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href="http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/act/save-kobane">http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/act/save-kobane</a><br>
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Press reports since Friday have made me cautiously
optimistic that Kobane can still be saved. Kurdish
defenders are fighting bravely and creatively, and
having some success in holding ISIS back. Tens of
thousands of Kurds demonstrated in Germany on
Saturday, showing that world Kurdish public opinion
has not given up on saving Kobane. And while I don’t
think that the Obama Administration is yet doing all
that it could be doing in terms of putting pressure on
Turkey, the Obama Administration is clearly doing some
things that are helping Kurdish defenders save Kobane
– so say Kurdish officials in Kobane.<br>
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To me, the situation in Kobane shows that – contrary
to what some people on the left have been saying –
mere slogans of “no war” and “stop the bombing” aren’t
morally, politically, or strategically sufficient
right now for Americans who are rightly concerned
about endless war to engage Washington and U.S. public
opinion about the war against ISIS in Iraq and Syria.
In my view, Americans are right to be concerned about
civilians threatened by ISIS, and right to have
sympathy for civilians threatened by ISIS who support
some degree of U.S. military intervention against
ISIS.<br>
<br>
This is a key reason why – again, contrary to what
some people on the left have been saying – I think
that the Congressional Progressive Caucus was very
wise to stake out a more nuanced position than simply
“supporting” or “opposing” the war. And this is a key
reason why Just Foreign Policy is supporting the CPC
resolution, which neither supports nor opposes the war
per se, but says that Congress should debate and vote
on the war, just like the U.S. Constitution and the
majority of Americans say, that no U.S. ground combat
troops should be used, just like President Obama and
the majority of Americans say, and that any
Congressional authorization of force should be narrow
and limited, just as the Obama Administration has
said.<br>
<br>
On Wednesday, we are doing petition delivery events at
local Congressional offices in support of the CPC
resolution together with Progressives for Democratic
Action. I’m sorry for the late notice if you are
seeing this information for the first time; I
originally planned to write you about this over the
weekend, but we diverted ourselves to address the
Kobane emergency.<br>
<br>
Here is the alert that we sent to the Just Foreign
Policy list on Friday evening. At this writing, we
have almost ten thousand signatures on our petition in
support of the CPC resolution.<br>
<br>
Thanks for all you do for justice,<br>
Robert Naiman, Just Foreign Policy<br>
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