<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div><span> Let's agree to disagree, David J. I LOVE the world y're describing, but voting 3rd party won't get us there (think Tea Party influence). The lesser of two evils is realistically what we must settle for, unless the electorate starts twittering worthwhile tweets, turns off Reality Shows, loses a whole buncha wt per voter, and actually does rise up. Not in my lifetime.</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: verdana,helvetica,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span> Re 2000 -- yes, what you say re post-election is right on, but that wasn't in the voters' hands, it was ultimately up to SCOTUS. </span></div><div style="font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue,
Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> David Johnson via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> <br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> Peace-discuss <peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Sunday, November 9, 2014 2:13 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> [Peace-discuss] Fwd: Re: Naked Capitalism on election<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container"><br><div id="yiv0229758169"><div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="yiv0229758169yqt6494084908" id="yiv0229758169yqtfd84403"><div>
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</div></div><div><font size="+3">And what you seem to fail to understand Jenifer,
is that the republicans and the corporate dems are part of the
SAME team, think good cop / bad cop routine.<br clear="none">
People are sick and tired of being sold out by the dems.<br clear="none">
A third party AND running good Working class people ( NOT
millionaires like Sam Rosenberg, etc ) in the dem primaries is
what needs to be done.<br clear="none">
BOTH need to be done, so that if the good working class dems are
beaten by the corporate dems in the primaries, people will have
the option of voting against the corporate dems in the general
election.<br clear="none">
Einstein was quoted once as saying that the definition of
insanity is to continue to do the same thing over and over again
and expect different results.<br clear="none">
Hence your strategy of voting for any piece of shit corporate
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" D" next to their name has NOT been working. The dems have
been getting progressively worse every year since Bill Clinton
because they know that people like you will continue to vote for
them regardless how bad they become. They don't fear us, but
they do fear their corporate contributors.<br clear="none">
This dynamic MUST be changed !<br clear="none">
The only way that will happen is if targeted corporate dems who
have sold us out our faced with a sanction from THE PEOPLE by
being voted out, regardless if a republican wins. That is the
ONLY way it will change, in conjunction with electing working
class people in the dem primaries.<br clear="none">
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And in regards to Nader in 2000.....<br clear="none">
You seem to be in denial about the 2000 elections.<br clear="none">
That election was STOLEN via fraud, it had nothing to do with
Nader.<br clear="none">
If the democrats were a REAL opposition party in a REAL
democracy, they would have called for general strikes and
massive protests to shut the country down until a re-run
election was held in Florida with international voting
observers.<br clear="none">
But as we know, your precious Al Gore, rolled over when his
corporate masters told him to back off and the rest is history.
Of course to cover their collaboration and cowardice the
Democratic National committee began a " blame Nader " campaign.<br clear="none">
And lastly, what makes you think the dems are not also cutting
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<div><span> Absolutely, Mort Brussel, it's
ignorance/failure to realize that as bad as the Dems are,
the Repubs are far, far worse. Staying home or voting 3rd
party is a vote for the Repubs, tho' you'll brag about
doing that, as if it somehow makes you A Superior Person,
instead of an ignorant show off. Get over yrselves -- this
is not about you, it's a looming crisis (think 2000 and
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<div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:13px;font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;"><span> Get ready for WW III and
loss of: food stamps; social security; supported
healthcare; medicare; medicaid; unions; minimum wage;
subsidized housing; environmental protection; widening of
the income gap; The Middle Class. <br clear="none">
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<div> It is hard for me to believe anything being
expressed about why the election results occurred as
they did, except that it is linked to the influence
of money, media and ignorance. This is not to say
that disgust at the present affairs of state was
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<div>How admirable was the informative letter by
David to the N-G, responding to the N-G
commentaries on Illinois finances by Winkel, Dye
and Nowlen. Many thanks. One hopes it will
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midterms were not a “wave election”
for Republicans, and in fact left
policies were adopted by voters. The
Democrats did not lose because of
technical factors like the electoral
map, structural issues with their
“coalition,” or even for the reasons
put forward by emo-dems. Rather, the
midterms were a protest against
neo-liberal principles and policy
outcomes successfully achieved by
Obama and the dominant factions of the
Democratic Party: An active protest
against Obama’s redistribution of
income to the rich, and a sullen
refusal to take ObamaCare as the
positive good that the political
class, refusing to look out the
windows as they talk on their
cellphones on the Acela, are sure that
it is. Finally, Republicans are no
less despised than Democrats, and in
2016 it may well be their turn to be
subject to the cycle of massacre. Only
a cat of a different coat…. </div>
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