<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div><span>    Let's agree to disagree, David J. I LOVE the world y're describing, but voting 3rd party won't get us there (think Tea Party influence). The lesser of two evils is realistically what we must settle for, unless the electorate starts twittering worthwhile tweets, turns off Reality Shows, loses a whole buncha wt per voter, and actually does rise up. Not in my lifetime.</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: verdana,helvetica,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>     Re 2000 -- yes, what you say re post-election is right on, but that wasn't in the voters' hands, it was ultimately up to SCOTUS. </span></div><div style="font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue,
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      </div></div><div><font size="+3">And what you seem to fail to understand Jenifer,
        is that the republicans and the corporate dems are part of the
        SAME team, think good cop / bad cop routine.<br clear="none">
        People are sick and tired of being sold out by the dems.<br clear="none">
        A third party AND running good Working class people ( NOT
        millionaires like Sam Rosenberg, etc ) in the dem primaries is
        what needs to be done.<br clear="none">
        BOTH need to be done, so that if the good working class dems are
        beaten by the corporate dems in the primaries, people will have
        the option of voting against the corporate dems in the general
        election.<br clear="none">
        Einstein was quoted once as saying that the definition of
        insanity is to continue to do the same thing over and over again
        and expect different results.<br clear="none">
        Hence your strategy of voting for any piece of shit corporate
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         " D" next to their name has NOT been working. The dems have
        been getting progressively worse every year since Bill Clinton
        because they know that people like you will continue to vote for
        them regardless how bad they become. They don't fear us, but
        they do fear their corporate contributors.<br clear="none">
        This dynamic MUST be changed !<br clear="none">
        The only way that will happen is if targeted corporate dems who
        have sold us out our faced with a sanction from THE PEOPLE by
        being voted out, regardless if a republican wins. That is the
        ONLY way it will change, in conjunction with electing working
        class people in the dem primaries.<br clear="none">
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        And in regards to Nader in 2000.....<br clear="none">
        You seem to be in denial about the 2000 elections.<br clear="none">
        That election was STOLEN via fraud, it had nothing to do with
        Nader.<br clear="none">
        If the democrats were a REAL opposition party in a REAL
        democracy, they would have called for general strikes and
        massive protests to shut the country down until a re-run
        election was held in Florida with international voting
        observers.<br clear="none">
        But as we know, your precious Al Gore, rolled over when his
        corporate masters told him to back off and the rest is history.
        Of course to cover their collaboration and cowardice the
        Democratic National committee began a " blame Nader " campaign.<br clear="none">
        And lastly, what makes you think the dems are not also cutting
        social security, medicare, etc. ?<br clear="none">
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      <div class="yiv0229758169moz-cite-prefix">On 11/9/2014 1:36 PM, Jenifer
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          <div><span>     Absolutely, Mort Brussel, it's
              ignorance/failure to realize that as bad as the Dems are,
              the Repubs are far, far worse. Staying home or voting 3rd
              party is a vote for the Repubs, tho' you'll brag about
              doing that, as if it somehow makes you A Superior Person,
              instead of an ignorant show off. Get over yrselves -- this
              is not about you, it's a looming crisis (think 2000 and
              what the Bush presidency bro't us). <br clear="none">
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          <div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:13px;font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;"><span>     Get ready for WW III and
              loss of: food stamps; social security; supported
              healthcare; medicare; medicaid; unions; minimum wage;
              subsidized housing; environmental protection; widening of
              the income gap; The Middle Class. <br clear="none">
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                  David Green <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv0229758169moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" ymailto="mailto:davegreen84@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:davegreen84@yahoo.com"><davegreen84@yahoo.com></a>
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                  <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b>
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                  <div> It is hard for me to believe anything being
                    expressed about why the election results occurred as
                    they did, except that it is linked to the influence
                    of money, media and ignorance. This is not to say
                    that disgust at the present affairs of state was
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                    <div>How admirable was the informative letter by
                      David to the N-G, responding to the N-G
                      commentaries on Illinois finances by Winkel, Dye
                      and Nowlen. Many thanks. One hopes it will
                      register in the public’s consciousness.</div>
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                          <div>On Nov 7, 2014, at 9:44 AM, David Green
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                                  midterms were not a “wave election”
                                  for Republicans, and in fact left
                                  policies were adopted by voters. The
                                  Democrats did not lose because of
                                  technical factors like the electoral
                                  map, structural issues with their
                                  “coalition,” or even for the reasons
                                  put forward by emo-dems. Rather, the
                                  midterms were a protest against
                                  neo-liberal principles and policy
                                  outcomes successfully achieved by
                                  Obama and the dominant factions of the
                                  Democratic Party: An active protest
                                  against Obama’s redistribution of
                                  income to the rich, and a sullen
                                  refusal to take ObamaCare as the
                                  positive good that the political
                                  class, refusing to look out the
                                  windows as they talk on their
                                  cellphones on the Acela, are sure that
                                  it is. Finally, Republicans are no
                                  less despised than Democrats, and in
                                  2016 it may well be their turn to be
                                  subject to the cycle of massacre. Only
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