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            <td>Re: [ufpj-activist] "Brennan’s defense of CIA torture",
              Barry Grey, World [SJ]</td>
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            <td>Fri, 26 Dec 2014 11:31:40 -0500</td>
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            <th align="RIGHT" nowrap="nowrap" valign="BASELINE">From: </th>
            <td><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Sjonastriski@aol.com">Sjonastriski@aol.com</a> (Relayed)
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:strict-dmarc@mayfirst.org"><strict-dmarc@mayfirst.org></a></td>
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            <th align="RIGHT" nowrap="nowrap" valign="BASELINE">To: </th>
            <td><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jpstolten@frontier.com"><jpstolten@frontier.com></a>,
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ufpj-activist@lists.mayfirst.org"><ufpj-activist@lists.mayfirst.org></a>,
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:members@lists.cc-ds.org"><members@lists.cc-ds.org></a></td>
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        <div>Brennan's defense of torture, "yes, it does [or at least
          might] work," is exactly why " 'Torture Doesn'€™t' Work'
          Doesn't Work," as spelled out in my column below (<span
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        <div>With every good wish, and a Happy New Year to all, Steve
          Jonas</div>
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        <div>PS:  For those of you who might have received this
          previously, my apologies.</div>
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              mso-ansi-language: EN-GB" lang="EN-GB">Tuesday, 16
              December 2014 08:43 </span><span style="FONT-SIZE:
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              mso-ansi-language: EN-GB" lang="EN-GB">Why <font
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              Doesn<font color="#000000"><font face="Arial">'</font></font>€™t
              Work<font color="#000000"><font face="Arial">"</font></font>
              Doesn<font color="#000000"><font face="Arial">'</font></font>™t
              Work (but it is Unconstitutional) <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                  lang="EN-GB">URL:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.truth-out.org/buzzflash/commentary/torture-doesn-t-work-but-it-does-serve-itself">http://www.truth-out.org/buzzflash/commentary/torture-doesn-t-work-but-it-does-serve-itself</a></span><span
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                lang="EN-GB">STEVEN JONAS MD, MPH FOR BUZZFLASH AT
                TRUTHOUT</span></b></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 8pt; LINE-HEIGHT:
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            auto"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:
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              lang="EN-GB">As the world that is interested in such
              matters knows, the U.S. Senate Intelligence Committee has
              finally released the (redacted) 524-page Executive Summary
              of its </span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/10/world/senate-intelligence-committee-cia-torture-report.html?ref=todayspaper&_r=0"
              target="_blank"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt;
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                mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB;
                text-underline: none" lang="EN-GB">6000-page report on
                torture and the CIA</span></a><span style="FONT-SIZE:
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              mso-ansi-language: EN-GB" lang="EN-GB">, headed "Panel
              Faults C.I.A. Over Brutality and Deceit in Terrorism
              Interrogations." One cannot be sure why the Chair, Sen.
              Diane Feinstein of California, decided to release it over
              the mounting objections of both the White House and the
              CIA as well as most Republicans (apparently in favor of
              the use of torture, from the sound of it/them). But she
              may have been informed that one Senator or another,
              especially the outgoing Senator from Colorado, Mark Udall,
              would do it himself if she didn't. (It is rumored that
              Sen. Udall may still put the whole report into the
              Congressional Record. If he does, I would strongly suggest
              that he never again fly in a small aircraft.) At any rate,
              even just the Executive Summary presents a huge amount of
              horrifying detail. (I need not detail it here; it and a
              huge amount of commentary has already appeared in The
              Times and many other news sources, </span><a
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href="http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/12/11/cia-torture-report/#.VIosOLKoIww.wordpress"
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                mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB;
                text-underline: none" lang="EN-GB">print, electronic and
                other</span></a><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt;
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              lang="EN-GB">It happens that a good deal of the
              information contained in it has been known, in relative
              bits and pieces, for quite some time. What the Senate
              Committee has done is assemble a huge amount of material
              in one place, and then put their imprimatur on the
              information, which it has been collecting in sometimes
              gruesome detail over the past six years. Of course the
              Republicans have reacted in horror, not at the details of
              the torture itself and the catalog of CIA cover-ups,
              incompetence, disorganization, amateurism, and
              what-have-you, but at the fact that they have all been
              made public. Of course, Sen. Feinstein and her Democratic
              colleagues knew full well that if they didn't release the
              document now, it would never see the light of day, at
              least for the next two years of a Republican Senate
              majority. Further, even if the Democrats were to retake
              the Senate in 2016, by that time it would be a) old news
              and b) the CIA and its allies within and outside of
              government would have had many more opportunities to a)
              cover their tracks and b) further justify their actions
              with the repetitive aid of Fox"News.".<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 8pt; LINE-HEIGHT:
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              lang="EN-GB">One should note that Democrats hardly have
              entirely clean hands in this matter. After all, the Obama
              White House didn't want even the heavily redacted
              Executive Summary published. Further, right at the start
              of its Administration, the Obama White House and its
              "Justice" Department made clear that they would not be
              going after any of the torturers or, much more
              importantly, the torture-enablers starting with Cheney,
              based on what was even then already widely known about the
              program. Not only has it done nothing to prosecute the
              perpetrators, it has even allowed the promotion of many of
              them. Furthermore, we have the odd occurrence that Obama's
              current CIA director, John Brennan, who knew about the
              program when he was Obama's counter-terrorism advisor in
              2009, and is a member of a Democratic Administration, </span><a
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              lang="EN-GB"> not only as inaccurate, but also "flawed,"
              "partisan" (sic), and "frustrating."<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              lang="EN-GB">Be that as it may, the most important point
              to come away with in examining the Report is the major
              conclusion that the Senate Intelligence Committee came to
              about the CIA's torture program: that is was bad because
              it doesn't work. And they produced huge mountains of
              evidence to support that claim. Of course its supporters
              and instigators continue to bray that it does. </span><a
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              lang="EN-GB">: "Many Republicans have said that the report
              is an attempt to smear both the C.I.A. and the Bush White
              House, and that the report cherry-picked information to
              support a claim that the C.I.A.'s detention program
              yielded no valuable information. Former C.I.A. officials
              have already begun a vigorous public campaign to dispute
              the report's findings."<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              lang="EN-GB">And of course the torturer-in-chief, Dick
              Cheney, </span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
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              lang="EN-GB"> over the report's release. Andy Borowitz
              tells us (WARNING: satire) that Cheney has even called for
              an </span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/cheney-calls-international-ban-torture-reports"
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              lang="EN-GB"> on the issuance of reports on the use of
              torture. And so, we know that the CIA has done some very
              bad things (bad, that is, if you think that torture is
              bad), fully justified by the Bush Administration. In fact,
              even though the Committee said that it wasn't, the program
            </span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                text-underline: none" lang="EN-GB">was fully authorized</span></a><span
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              lang="EN-GB"> by the Bush Administration.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 8pt; LINE-HEIGHT:
            normal; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt:
            auto"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:
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              lang="EN-GB">But the Senate Committee's whole premise is
              that: the program was bad because it didn't work. Which
              raises the question: would they have concluded that
              torture was OK if it had produced useful intelligence?
              Uh-oh and Oh my. If Cheney et al were/are right about the
              utility of torture, at least as practiced by the CIA, then
              the Committee's whole argument against it collapses in a
              heap. Indeed by focusing primarily on "torture doesn't
              work" for its primary criticism of the program, the Senate
              Intelligence Committee has let the Republicans and the
              Right-wing generally off the hook. For they can simply
              come back, as they are, as noted, doing vociferously,
              saying "yes it does."<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 8pt; LINE-HEIGHT:
            normal; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt:
            auto"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:
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              mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";
              mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"
              lang="EN-GB">The argument should have been on "it's
              wrong," and more importantly, that it violates both
              domestic and international law, and, most importantly,
              violates the U.S. Constitution. For example, the use of
              torture </span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/EnsuringLawfulInterrogations"
              target="_blank"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt;
                TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY:
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                mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB;
                text-underline: none" lang="EN-GB">violates the clear
                prohibition of its use</span></a><span style="FONT-SIZE:
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              mso-ansi-language: EN-GB" lang="EN-GB"> in various Federal
              statutes. But furthermore, and to me most importantly, it
              violates the provisions banning the use of torture found
              in the Geneva Conventions and the UN Convention Against
              Torture. The United States is a party to both the Geneva
              Conventions and the UN Convention Against Torture, both
              signed and ratified international treaties. Before
              considering the Constitutional question, let us consider
              just what is "torture?"<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 8pt; LINE-HEIGHT:
            normal; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt:
            auto"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:
              "Verdana",sans-serif; COLOR: #444444;
              mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";
              mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"
              lang="EN-GB">The authors of the Geneva Conventions just
              assumed that everyone "knows" what torture is so they
              didn't bother to define it any detail. The UN Convention
              defines it in general terms as "Any act by which severe
              pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is
              intentionally inflicted on a person for such purposes as
              obtaining from him or a third person information or a
              confession . . ." By exclusion, the U.S. Army Field Manual
              is </span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/EnsuringLawfulInterrogations"
              target="_blank"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt;
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                mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB;
                text-underline: none" lang="EN-GB">rather explicit</span></a><span
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              lang="EN-GB"> about it. The Bush Administration's quack
              law firm, </span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.truth-out.org/buzzflash/commentary/the-last-word-on-torture-it-starts-with-enemies-but-ends-up-being-used-domestically/10799-the-last-word-on-torture-it-starts-with-enemies-but-ends-up-being-used-domestically"
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                mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB;
                text-underline: none" lang="EN-GB">Bybee and Yoo</span></a><span
              style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:
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              mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";
              mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"
              lang="EN-GB">, tried to define their way out of the
              quagmire, but no one outside of themselves and the US
              Right would agree that what was done to numbers of
              prisoners of the US was not torture. And the Senate
              Committee has certainly concluded that it was and uses the
              term "torture" over-and-over again.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 8pt; LINE-HEIGHT:
            normal; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt:
            auto"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:
              "Verdana",sans-serif; COLOR: #444444;
              mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";
              mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"
              lang="EN-GB">But then comes the truly inconvenient truth
              that the use of torture by US authorities is simply
              unconstitutional. Under article VI of the U.S.
              Constitution, as treaties signed and ratified by the U.S.
              government, both Conventions are part of "the supreme law
              of the land and [further] the judges of every state shall
              be bound by them." This, and its illegality under various
              U.S. statutes and Codes, are the only arguments that one
              can make against the use of torture by US agencies that
              can withstand the "but it works" argument, even if the
              latter were true. Thus, torture both doesn't work and is
              unconstitutional as well as illegal. The CIA surely knew
              the first (they haven't been able to come up with even one
              provable example of its effectiveness. Further, it should
              be noted that the Clinton Administration thwarted two
              attempted terrorist attacks that would have produce much
              larger death tolls even than 9/11, the 1998 "25 airliners"
              plot and the "Millennium Bomb Plot" against Los Angeles
              International Airport, apparently without using one
              torturous twitch.) They may or may not have known the
              second that is unless they got all the way to the
              Constitution's Article VI, or read the Army Field Manual,
              if they ever bothered to start to read them at all.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 8pt; LINE-HEIGHT:
            normal; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt:
            auto"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:
              "Verdana",sans-serif; COLOR: #444444;
              mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";
              mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"
              lang="EN-GB">So why did the CIA develop the program and
              why did they continue to use and surely attempt to perfect
              it. Well, </span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.truth-out.org/buzzflash/commentary/the-last-word-on-torture-it-starts-with-enemies-but-ends-up-being-used-domestically/10799-the-last-word-on-torture-it-starts-with-enemies-but-ends-up-being-used-domestically"
              target="_blank"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt;
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                "Verdana",sans-serif; COLOR: #385ba4;
                mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";
                mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB;
                text-underline: none" lang="EN-GB">as I have said
                elsewhere</span></a><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt;
              FONT-FAMILY: "Verdana",sans-serif; COLOR:
              #444444; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New
              Roman"; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial;
              mso-ansi-language: EN-GB" lang="EN-GB">, first and
              foremost it is a major instrument of terror that can be
              used against a government's own population: it is a really
              good repressor of dissent. A principal tool of Gestapo
              control in Nazi Germany was to pick up someone who had
              been making mildly anti-Hitler remarks, give them a good
              session or two of torture downtown, and then send them
              back to the neighborhood. You can bet the neighbors got
              the message.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 8pt; LINE-HEIGHT:
            normal; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt:
            auto"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:
              "Verdana",sans-serif; COLOR: #444444;
              mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";
              mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"
              lang="EN-GB">Second, it is indeed very useful in
              extracting information from politically active civilian
              regime opponents who have no military training or training
              in resisting torture, such as the civilian opponents of
              the Pinochet Regime in Chile and the civilian targets of
              the Argentine "Dirty War." Third, it is a very good tool
              for extra-judicial punishment, just as long as the regime
              using it makes sure that its details leak out, in a
              totally deniable way of course, to its own citizens.
              Fourth, it is a very useful tool for civilian repression
              in military-occupied territories. Just ask the Japanese
              Kempeitai that operated in Korea and Occupied China.
              Fifth, it is very helpful when a regime is out to change
              the culture of its country, and to wipe out historical
              memory of anything that went before it came to power. Once
              they had restored corporate-clerical control of the
              country, doing so was perhaps the next principal long-term
              goal of the Spanish Francoists. Torture was one of their
              stocks-in-trade to achieve that goal.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 8pt; LINE-HEIGHT:
            normal; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt:
            auto"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:
              "Verdana",sans-serif; COLOR: #444444;
              mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";
              mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"
              lang="EN-GB">Sixth, it is really good at extracting false
              confessions, then to be used in show trials, such as those
              of the Soviet Union of the late 1930s that killed off so
              many of the good Communists who were already challenging
              Stalinism as the way not to try to build socialism.
              Seventh, in countries that use it but try to re-define
              their way out of it convincing no-one but themselves
              (guess who?), it helps to establish a record of
              lawlessness, of total disregard for the rule of law, as
              long as the government says things like, "We are doing
              what we are doing to keep our people safe and fight
              terror." This was likely a major objective of BushCheney,
              et al: to change the culture here. "Torture [except of
              course we don't call it torture, just 'enhanced
              interrogation'] is that is as long as we are doing the
              Deciding as to who gets it." No rule of law, no adherence
              to international treaties or our Constitution of which
              they are a part, just as long as they say there's a good
              reason for it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 8pt; LINE-HEIGHT:
            normal; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt:
            auto"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:
              "Verdana",sans-serif; COLOR: #444444;
              mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";
              mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"
              lang="EN-GB">Finally, to have torture as a useful
              instrument of national policy, there has to be a cadre of
              torturers, another reason for the BushCheney torture
              program. Until they came to power, Americans didn't do
              such things, officially at least. So there weren't very
              many, if any, trained torturers amongst our armed and
              intelligence forces. But now they are, or at least were.
              And you can bet your sweet pitootie, once you learn how to
              be a torturer, you don't forget what you learned. So,
              don't tell me torture isn't useful. It's just not useful
              for what the torturers tell us it's useful for. And
              whatever that may be, in the US its use is
              unconstitutional.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 8pt; LINE-HEIGHT:
            normal; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt:
            auto"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:
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              mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"
              lang="EN-GB">Indeed, "it doesn't work" just doesn't work
              in the battle to ban the use of torture by the US
              government, which, as it happens, may well be renewed if
              the next President is a Republican.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                lang="EN-GB"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Steven Jonas,
                  MD, MPH is a Professor Emeritus of Preventive Medicine
                  at Stony Brook University (NY) and
                  author/co-author/editor/co-editor of over 30 books. In
                  addition to being a columnist for BuzzFlash@Truthout
                  he is the Editorial Director of and a Contributing
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href="http://www.puntopress.com/jonas-the-15-solution-hits-main-distribution/"
              target="_blank"><i><span style="TEXT-DECORATION: none;
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                  lang="EN-GB"><font face="Calibri" size="3">The 15%
                    Solution: How the Republican Religious Right Took
                    Control of the U.S., 1981-2022: A futuristic Novel</font></span></i></a><i><span
                style="COLOR: #444444; mso-fareast-font-family:
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                  size="3"><font face="Calibri">, Brewster, NY, Trepper
                    & Katz Impact Books, Punto Press Publishing,
                    2013, and available on Amazon.<o:p></o:p></font></font></span></i></p>
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