<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">True, if and only if stopping the US from killing people is a Platonic abstraction.<div><br></div><div>And whom do you want to win? I've wondered.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Jan 30, 2015, at 10:37 AM, Robert Naiman <<a href="mailto:naiman@justforeignpolicy.org">naiman@justforeignpolicy.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div dir="ltr"><div>You and I have totally different goals. You want to satisfy a Platonic abstraction. I want to win.</div><div><br></div><div><br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 10:32 AM, Carl G. Estabrook <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:galliher@illinois.edu" target="_blank">galliher@illinois.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div>"...<span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Georgia,Century,Times,serif;font-size:15px;line-height:21px">stand with the Boehner-Bibi axis or stand with President Obama?"</span><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Georgia,Century,Times,serif;font-size:15px;line-height:21px"> </span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Georgia,Century,Times,serif;font-size:15px;line-height:21px"><br></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Georgia,Century,Times,serif;font-size:15px;line-height:21px">How about condemning them all and demanding a reversal of Obama administration war policy, in Europe and Asia?</span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Georgia,Century,Times,serif;font-size:15px;line-height:21px"><br></span></div><div><font color="#333333" face="Georgia, Century, Times, serif"><span style="font-size:15px;line-height:21px">The greatest risk of a wider war, even nuclear war, comes not from Iran's non-existent nukes (or even from Israel's hysterical provocations on the matter) but from Obama's vicious proxy war in Ukraine. </span></font></div><div><font color="#333333" face="Georgia, Century, Times, serif"><span style="font-size:15px;line-height:21px"><br></span></font></div><div><font color="#333333" face="Georgia, Century, Times, serif"><span style="font-size:15px;line-height:21px">Like all US administrations since the fall of the USSR - but even more belligerently - the Obama administration is working to damage </span></font><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Georgia,Century,Times,serif;font-size:15px;line-height:21px">Russia for control of the Eurasian economy.</span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Georgia,Century,Times,serif;font-size:15px;line-height:21px"><br></span></div><div><font color="#333333" face="Georgia, Century, Times, serif"><span style="font-size:15px;line-height:21px">The American client regime in Kiev has already killed more people in Donbass than the American client regime in Israel recently killed in Gaza, and the attacks continue today.</span></font></div><div><font color="#333333" face="Georgia, Century, Times, serif"><span style="font-size:15px;line-height:21px"><br></span></font></div><div><font color="#333333" face="Georgia, Century, Times, serif"><span style="font-size:15px;line-height:21px">The Obama/Boehner good-cop/bad-cop charade in DC is at best a side-show that continues to mask the US government's imperial policy from the only one of its many enemies it really fears, the American people. </span></font></div><div><font color="#333333" face="Georgia, Century, Times, serif"><span style="font-size:15px;line-height:21px"><br></span></font></div><div><font color="#333333" face="Georgia, Century, Times, serif"><span style="font-size:15px;line-height:21px">The administration is attempting to wean Iran from the SCO and restore the status quo ante (pre-1979), when US control of Mideast energy resources rested on a Saudi Arabia-Israel-Iran tripod. Obama, who says he's surprised to find that killing people is his "strong suit," is willing to kill a lot of people to this end: his drone attacks - which have killed as many people as his proxy war in Ukraine - amount to ‘the most extreme terrorist campaign of modern times’ [Noam Chomsky].</span></font></div><div><font color="#333333" face="Georgia, Century, Times, serif"><span style="font-size:15px;line-height:21px"><br></span></font></div><div><font color="#333333" face="Georgia, Century, Times, serif"><span style="font-size:15px;line-height:21px">The Bush-Obama-(Clinton) regime </span></font><span style="font-size:15px;line-height:21px;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Georgia,Century,Times,serif">is working for the American 1% and their economic advantage in Europe and Asia, as the Kennedy-Johnson-Nixon regime once did in regard to SE to Asia.</span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Georgia,Century,Times,serif;font-size:15px;line-height:21px"><br></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Georgia,Century,Times,serif;font-size:15px;line-height:21px">The American people must stop them once again. </span></div><div><br></div><div>--CGE</div><br><div><div><div class="h5"><div>On Jan 30, 2015, at 9:24 AM, Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss <<a href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" target="_blank">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a>> wrote:</div><br></div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div class="h5"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr"><div><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-naiman/keith-ellison-netanyahu_b_6575504.html" target="_blank">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-naiman/keith-ellison-netanyahu_b_6575504.html</a><br></div><div><br></div>[...]<div><p style="margin:0px 0px 15px;padding:0px;direction:ltr;font-family:Georgia,Century,Times,serif;font-size:15px;line-height:21px;border:0px;vertical-align:baseline;font-stretch:normal;color:rgb(51,51,51)">Controversy is spreading around House Speaker John Boehner's decision to invite Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin ("Bibi") Netanyahu to address Congress on March 3. The invitation is controversial for three reasons: 1) contrary to precedent, Boehner did not consult the White House or the House Democratic leadership in scheduling the speech; 2) the speech will be two weeks before the Israeli election, essentially making the U.S. Congress the backdrop for a speech in Netanyahu's re-election campaign, also contrary to precedent; and 3) the express purpose of the speech is to bash President Obama's Iran policy and demand that Congress pass new sanctions on Iran, which would blow up the U.S./Europe-Iran talks and put the U.S. on a path to war with Iran, as <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/on-irans-nuclear-programs-give-diplomacy-a-chance/2015/01/21/0cdb4dcc-a185-11e4-b146-577832eafcb4_story.html" style="color:rgb(0,136,195);text-decoration:none;line-height:inherit;margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;vertical-align:baseline" target="_blank">European leaders</a> and the <a href="http://cpc.grijalva.house.gov/hot-topics/progressive-caucus-urges-senate-and-house-committees-to-postpone-new-iran-sanctions-legislation" style="color:rgb(0,136,195);text-decoration:none;line-height:inherit;margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;vertical-align:baseline" target="_blank">Congressional Progressive Caucus</a> have warned.</p><p style="margin:0px 0px 15px;padding:0px;direction:ltr;font-family:Georgia,Century,Times,serif;font-size:15px;line-height:21px;border:0px;vertical-align:baseline;font-stretch:normal;color:rgb(51,51,51)"><a href="http://act.jstreet.org/sign/Send_Boehner_A_Message" style="color:rgb(0,136,195);text-decoration:none;line-height:inherit;margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;vertical-align:baseline" target="_blank">J Street</a> and <a href="http://peacenow.org/entry.php?id=10357#.VMqqsGTF-rw" style="color:rgb(0,136,195);text-decoration:none;line-height:inherit;margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;vertical-align:baseline" target="_blank">Americans for Peace Now</a> have called for Netanyahu's talk to be postponed. Former Israeli Ambassador to the U.S. <a href="http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.638809" style="color:rgb(0,136,195);text-decoration:none;line-height:inherit;margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;vertical-align:baseline" target="_blank">Michael Oren</a>, the <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/28/world/middleeast/israeli-opposition-takes-aim-at-netanyahu-over-planned-speech-to-congress.html" style="color:rgb(0,136,195);text-decoration:none;line-height:inherit;margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;vertical-align:baseline" target="_blank">mainstream political opposition in Israel</a>, <a href="http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Politics-And-Diplomacy/Peres-on-Netanyahu-speech-When-the-US-president-tells-you-not-to-come-to-US-you-dont-go-389415" style="color:rgb(0,136,195);text-decoration:none;line-height:inherit;margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;vertical-align:baseline" target="_blank">former Israeli President Shimon Peres</a>, and the <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/24/opinion/john-boehner-benjamin-netanyahu-playing-politics-on-iran.html" style="color:rgb(0,136,195);text-decoration:none;line-height:inherit;margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;vertical-align:baseline" target="_blank">editorial board of the <em style="line-height:inherit;margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;vertical-align:baseline">New York Times</em></a> have denounced the planned speech. Even <em style="line-height:inherit;margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;vertical-align:baseline"><a href="http://www.vox.com/2015/1/24/7884311/netanyahu-boehner-fox-news" style="color:rgb(0,136,195);text-decoration:none;line-height:inherit;margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;vertical-align:baseline" target="_blank">Fox News</a> </em>thinks Bibi and Boehner are out of line.</p><p style="margin:0px 0px 15px;padding:0px;direction:ltr;font-family:Georgia,Century,Times,serif;font-size:15px;line-height:21px;border:0px;vertical-align:baseline;font-stretch:normal;color:rgb(51,51,51)">Now, Reps. Keith Ellison (co-chair of the Congressional Progressive Caucus), Steve Cohen, and Maxine Waters are <a href="http://www.politico.com/story/2015/01/democrats-john-boehner-benjamin-netanyahu-speech-114695.html" style="color:rgb(0,136,195);text-decoration:none;line-height:inherit;margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;vertical-align:baseline" target="_blank">circulating a letter</a> to Speaker Boehner, asking him to postpone the invitation until after the Israeli election and after Congress has considered the issue of Iran sanctions.</p><p style="margin:0px 0px 15px;padding:0px;direction:ltr;font-family:Georgia,Century,Times,serif;font-size:15px;line-height:21px;border:0px;vertical-align:baseline;font-stretch:normal;color:rgb(51,51,51)">This sets up a sharp choice for Members of Congress: stand with the Boehner-Bibi axis or stand with President Obama? A signature on the Ellison letter is a decision to stand with President Obama.<br><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;line-height:normal">[...]</span><br></p><p style="margin:0px 0px 15px;padding:0px;direction:ltr;font-family:Georgia,Century,Times,serif;font-size:15px;line-height:21px;border:0px;vertical-align:baseline;font-stretch:normal;color:rgb(51,51,51)">===</p><span><font color="#888888"><div><div dir="ltr">Robert Naiman<br>Policy Director<br>Just Foreign Policy<br><a href="http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/" target="_blank">www.justforeignpolicy.org</a><br><a href="mailto:naiman@justforeignpolicy.org" target="_blank">naiman@justforeignpolicy.org</a><br><div><span style="text-align:left"><a href="tel:%28202%29%20448-2898%20x1" value="+12024482898" target="_blank">(202) 448-2898 x1</a></span><br></div><div><span style="text-align:left"><br></span></div></div></div>
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