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Snowden is what we call a true patriot. One who loves or once loved
his homeland and finds it sadly missing. He was fortunate enough to
expose the truth and selfless enough to do so even though it might
mean loss of life, loss of his freedom or worse. They can revoke
the oscar like Salaita's job and Pete Rose's honours but it won't
take away the shame of those doing the revoking. It's too damn late
for those guys.<br>
<br>
As Tolstoy observed and warned, the powers-that-be always oppress
the people and do evil in the name of public security and domestic
tranquillity.<br>
<br>
Right now it looks like to me that ISIS are pretty nice guys as
compared to your Amerikan political class. They say that ISIS and
radical Islam is a threat to the USA. Maybe it's true. <br>
<br>
I suggest you read some of the "minor" prophets in the "OT". As
Kool Nahum Puff Daddy Tupac XL says - "Yo' bad karma is gonna open a
can of pissed-off whup ass on you like that dude with the Sears and
Roebuck crowbar." [...and the Lord revengeth, and is furious; the
Lord with take vengeance on his adversaries and the reserveth wrath
for his adversaries. the Lord is slow to anger and great in power
and will not at all acquit the wicked.<br>
<br>
Why should NYC & WDC fare any better than Nineveh or Dresden or
Fallujah? Because of their "goodness"?<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 02/24/2015 07:30 AM, Karen Aram via
Peace-discuss wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Roger, I haven't seen the film, but I do remember
from interviews with Snowden when he first made headlines, not
those on the corporate owned media, but with DemocracyNow, and
Snowden never claimed to be a high level NSA official. He worked
for Booz Allen, a government contractor, along with many
others. One of the points he made was that he wasn't "high
level" and yet he had access to all the information that he did,
and found this very disturbing. <br>
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<div>> Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 14:06:48 -0800<br>
> To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:naiman@justforeignpolicy.org">naiman@justforeignpolicy.org</a><br>
> CC: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a><br>
> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] links: Poitras' Citizenfour
wins Oscar for best documentary<br>
> From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a><br>
> <br>
> I wonder how many winning documentaries open with a lie -
Snowden<br>
> claiming to be high level NSA official, something that he
never was,<br>
> never examine the lie to see what else is a lie, or
include outright<br>
> lie by one of the film maker participants - the
conference in Brazil<br>
> speech - this selection is a travesty - you do not award
an Oscar to<br>
> what is in effect a PR flack - Snowden played the media,
still is - he<br>
> is a thief who makes grandilose claims, many of which are
not true in<br>
> the least - the only thing true is the damage that he has
done to our<br>
> security by making groups like ISIS aware - I am sure
that none of you<br>
> agree, but if you actually watch this with a critical eye
instead of<br>
> fauning all over your hero, you will realize that he
never was what he<br>
> claims that he is and he personally never could do things
like listen<br>
> to your phone calls like he has claimed to be able to do.
I wonder if<br>
> a campaign can undo an Oscar and result in a public
revocation.<br>
> <br>
> Roger<br>
> <br>
> PS - who paid for the room in the hotel in Hong Kong -
was the phone<br>
> call sequence faked - the only thing real is the stolen
documents and<br>
> we don't see very many of those -<br>
> <br>
> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 6:13 AM, Robert Naiman via
Peace-discuss<br>
> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net"><peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net></a> wrote:<br>
> >
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.newyorker.com/news/amy-davidson/is-citizenfour-worth-celebrating">http://www.newyorker.com/news/amy-davidson/is-citizenfour-worth-celebrating</a><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> >
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/feb/23/edward-snowden-documentary-citizenfour-wins-oscar">http://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/feb/23/edward-snowden-documentary-citizenfour-wins-oscar</a><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> >
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/02/22/poitras-wins-oscar-for-citizenfour/">https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/02/22/poitras-wins-oscar-for-citizenfour/</a><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> >
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/22/citizen-four-best-documentary_n_6716094.html">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/22/citizen-four-best-documentary_n_6716094.html</a><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > (the last has video of Poitras' acceptance speech.)<br>
> ><br>
> > It will be quite interesting to see the impact of
this on the debate over<br>
> > the re-authorization of the Patriot Act in June.
Will Hollywood move<br>
> > Congress...?<br>
> ><br>
> > ===<br>
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> > Robert Naiman<br>
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